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PostSubject: Re: Fallout 4 a Disappointment?   Fallout 4 a Disappointment? - Page 3 EmptyThu Jan 21, 2016 4:43 pm

Well I guess everyone is posting some kind of something here.
So my two cents.  So I will break it up into a couple elements.

1. Story, while the story is interesting, you have a husband/ wife and a child... that alone gives the characters bonds, that are seemingly there just to break... your spouse killed your child stolen.  You find someone else to love in the wasteland and get a perk and your child.. yeah...
is...:
   With such an urgent quest as finding your child... can you really expect to all of a sudden go "hey let me make a farm and grow a potato/ Tatoe.....  I would be searching endlessly and telling everyone who was unable to or unwilling to get out of my way before I carve my way through them.  The Stories for fallout 3, well your looking for your parent and exploring as you go, as a youngster you will explore and get sidetracked, it happens as most teens are not super clingy to their parents at that point in their life.  In Fallout NV, its revenge, you were set up and shot in the head.. maybe you can find things that matter to you more and move on or just the bullet took with it the parts of your brain that made revenge more of a necessity, either way with those other two games I could justify going off of the main quest for a bit.
    Also, I play a combat Veteran of the Chinese Invasion of the US....why are my stats the same as a young teenager living a sheltered life in a vault the same as a Combat Vet out on the front line for years....I can say, my past 14 years in the Army (still in to this day) have changed me as compared to being the 16 to 19 year old I was..

2.  Ok, so gameplay... really enjoyable and it is about 60%FPS to 40% RPG for me, you get options and some quests are timed which allow/ cause failure.  The modding system for weapons and armor is great and I believe they took a note from the modding community when they made this.  Settlements is good, as I liked minecraft for what little I played of it and this was entertaining and added a different kind of challenge as all that scrap I never picked up in the other games now has a significant purpose.  But, what I want is the choice to play the bad guy via conversation options, mostly I am stuck being the good guy, being the sarcastic good guy or not doing anything.  I cant really just turn around and kill some people without the game as a whole becoming un-playable.
but I had the same thing in witcher 3 which I oddly enough liked less than Fallout 4...  The FPS play was good, you cant do any of this wall jump/ run crap (yet? mods?) but your not some cyborg super soldier who craps nano machines and ninja magic.  If Bethesda just didn't bother using resources on the fail MMO Elder Scrolls online which based off cost of upkeep, sales and subscriptions isn't doing as well as they hoped or projected and definitely isn't the "wow-killer" as so many people have claimed.  But, back to FO4, the game becomes drastically easier if you play it as the creeping stealthy sniper, the perks seem almost geared to stack for such a build, it would have been nice to see more love for autofire weapons as they truly fall by the way side.  If the bullet bypasses your skull and says hi to your brain, does it matter if it was fired from a semi or fully auto weapon?  These weapons turn you into pink mist and bone chips so quickly but with monster scaling and everything else, they just feel drastically under powered.

2.  Graphics/ Weapons... well I loved them, with mods they got better and ran even smoother... but why do I need the mods to help optimize the game.  Lighting and casting shadows was an improvement over Vanilla Fallout 3 and NV (no more world through a sick yellow green filter).  The weapon designs... were annoying to me to say the least, and just made it feel odd for someone who played fallout 1 and 2.... as they had the P90, MP5 and other advanced weapons though called something different.  There comes a point that they should not have gone for nostalgia, the WW1 Water cooled machine gun... that is now called the assault rifle...just why.  The Thompson is my SMG...ehh...the weapons introduced in 1,2, 3 and NV..specifically the SMG's were technically advancements over the Thompson... so at the start of the Great war, why were they using the Thompson at all.... again for the Nostalgia.  the Combat Rifle and the Shotgun.. ok so here I had a weapon I could go with, atleast it made more sense to me.  I could modify them, and their looks and they could feel feasible even with the excess nostalgia.... atleast they left the 10mm pistol alone.. BUT, they horribly regressed the Plasma weapons... but they have been doing those wrong for a long time... the Plasma weapons were suppose to look sharp and bladed, dark metal and green... like some kind of Warhammer 40k Necrons wet dream.  Instead of this I have bubbles of glass and then on top of that tubes and glass tubes full of glowing green plasma gases just waiting to spring a leak or get shot and end my characters journey as he/she melts in explosive plasma gas due to poor design....

   Graphics/ Armor... ok, this is cool.  I have armor and I can put on/ change/ upgrade the pieces I put on say my Vault suit and they do different things a lot of which is up to my choosing and the missions I am about to under take.  As opposed to letting Moira (fallout 3) upgrade my vault suit with a rubber band, a used condom and a pigeon... and it looks like some kinda smashed ass road warrior wanna be suit...as all she did was strap, tape and stable things to it.  The Fact I could wear basic clothes and wear armor over it is awesome, however in Vanilla FO4 it was limited, but mods fix that super easy so I wont even go there.  But modding armor parts and their looks and the number of them you could do is awesome and a definitive step in the right direction.  AND the Power armor.. now that is great, it changes the game largely.... you can accidentally kick over things like tombstones, steel sidewalk/ pedestrian guards, fall through pieces of wood in the Iron Works plant that aren't designed to hold your weight, crush sand bags and fallout from the sky on to a death claw and kill it... and did I mention the Jet Pack??  Really cool, the only thing is, the fusion cores... Power Armors are suppose to have a shielded reactor with thousands of years of life.. so here they are breaking their own lore again, just for the sake of in theory keep the player from using the power armor all the time... but having about 1/3 of the map covered in water kept me away from using it all the time, as YOU GUESSED it, you cant swim in a giant suit of Titanium, Steel and Lead.   Sink to the bottom like a rock and drown unless you have the perks... though if it filters radiation... couldn't they make an amphibious version that allows for insertion to something like a beach.... silently walk along the ocean floor at reasonable depths and then up on to the beach suddenly to take it from the enemy?

  Graphics/ The characters, the new way of making the characters face... good and bad, you can grab and change what you see, but its hard to see how much you can or what your doing exactly as some parts like Eye Lids are small.  So you cant see fully what your changing and to what extent, sliders or something on the side would have been great.  The Faces in the vanilla game do look better than previous games definitely.  The SUPER WIDE SHOULDER thing that was present in the other fallout games is gone.  No longer do you have the petite young female with shoulders a NFL super star would be proud to have.  The animations run smoother to me with what feels like more weight to them, im guessing the did more with motion capture and less with just basic animators for this?  Though I can understand as the game gives you so many customization options that to be able to do more with the faces, you cant get as detailed with a couple of them...

Soundtrack/ Music/ Sound Effects..  Not really so much here, the music works for me, the radio stations work and can easily be changed.  Who am I to judge how a make believe weapon sounds, there are thousands of ways a gun shot can sound different with millions of more reasons that originate from the available mods at the workbenches.

Overall, I love the game its fun and enjoyable, the stories for FO3 and NV made it more viable for me to leave the main story to do side quests than FO4.  With mods, the game will only get better, and this may invite some flame, but I still like it better than the Witcher 3.  Not being a fan boy here,I don't give a damn about game of the year, just means whichever company gets it gets to re-release the game with the DLC included for more money as another sales pitch.  So I wouldnt be surprised if Game of the Year events are bought and paid for by bidding companies.  But yeah, I just don't care for how they portrayed Geralt and how they made him seem like college humor batman.  Now the Engine for Witcher 3... I have not seen anything better for an action RPG, and I hope Bethesda takes note.

So, in closing... disappointed... eh not really, hopeful that there will be more, especially with mods and DLC.
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PostSubject: Re: Fallout 4 a Disappointment?   Fallout 4 a Disappointment? - Page 3 EmptyThu Jan 21, 2016 9:23 pm

I think it's a good game coming from Fallout 3, but from NV. Most of the features in Fallout 4 there's seems to be mods of in NV.
-Also there is very few ammo types (explostive/scattershot/buck/etc)
-The size of the map is relative to other ones, i felt they got lazy here. People can argue "Map of the size doesn't make the story better and such" but look at Witcher 3/GTAV/JustCause3 all those modern games w/ lots of content.
-It is crammed/not spaced out enough, going from goodsprings to Primm there was nothing but a highway w/ a few stuff to the side. Fallout 4 it feels like as soon as i leave the Vault, im in Sanctuary, soon as im outside santuary im in Red Rocket Station. This takes away the wasteland feel from me. The only place that feels Fallout worthy is the Glowing Sea, buildings a spread apart, and i feel all map markers in that area are spread out.
-No classic factions (except BoS) What i loved about NV is that it added factions from Fallout 1-2-tactics (Khans/GunRunners/Nightkin/NCR/etc.) Giving it feel like it was a sequel. Fallout 3 felt like a new Fallout 1 to me, like all the other factions except Enclave and BoS never even existed. At least in Fallout 4 they mention NCR though  Fallout 4 a Disappointment? - Page 3 1f60b


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you all sound like trolls ive played Fallout 4 for 250 hours still havnt finished the game this is the best Fallout ive played and ive played all the fallouts lot of people complain cause its not a RPG big woop did use know Fallout 1, 2 and tactics was a turn base game not a first and 3rd person view game might as well call it Elder Scrolls with guns right??.

and then you got guys saying it soo buggy i havnt seen many bugs let alone game breaking but i know Obsidian New Vegas was broken from the start while the fanboys try to hide that past yeah the game had many choices and factions but 4 atleast has four factions fallout 3 you could only side up with the BOS so i see that as a step up from Bethesda games.

New Vegas i can remeber got a craped on when it first launched everyone saying Fallout 3 was the best except for Fallout Turn Base Vets and now everyone decides to change they mind on the last minute same thing Skyrim people hated that talked crap about it two years later ten thousand mods later everyone saying its the best Elder Scrolls to play.

the settlement builder is the one of the greatest features i ever used in a fallout game and its based off a mod that was in 3 and New Vegas you guys just need to give the game some time mods does wonders when the Creation Kit comes out also since when has Bethesda been good at telling stories huh.

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PostSubject: Re: Fallout 4 a Disappointment?   Fallout 4 a Disappointment? - Page 3 EmptyThu Jan 21, 2016 11:28 pm

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Whoa calm down there, people are free to express there opinion respectfully.

Also its advertised as a Action RPG, a lot of people just want more RPG in it like choices...
and the engine is a modification of the Elder Scrolls engine... so it kind of is Elder Scrolls with guns...
though if I could Dual Wield Pistols that would be awesome.

Yup, I knew 1, 2 and Tactics were turnbased, bought them when they first came out in the 90's.

Fallout 4 is largely bug free, especially when compared to New Vegas. Since I bought the game on pre-order I have had less than 5 crashes.. and those happened only because of mods.

Now don't take offense to this, but is English your first language? Some of what you posted was a tad hard to read.
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PostSubject: Re: Fallout 4 a Disappointment?   Fallout 4 a Disappointment? - Page 3 EmptyThu Jan 21, 2016 11:33 pm

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Whoa calm down there, people are free to express there opinion respectfully.

Also its advertised as a Action RPG, a lot of people just want more RPG in it like choices...
and the engine is a modification of the Elder Scrolls engine... so it kind of is Elder Scrolls with guns...
though if I could Dual Wield Pistols that would be awesome.

Yup, I knew 1, 2 and Tactics were turnbased, bought them when they first came out in the 90's.

Fallout 4 is largely bug free, especially when compared to New Vegas.  Since I bought the game on pre-order I have had less than 5 crashes.. and those happened only because of mods.

Now don't take offense to this, but is English your first language?   Some of what you posted was a tad hard to read.

yes English is my language since im aussie i write too fast so i tend to skip many words thinking i typed them well reason im angry cause this hate eveyone had i seen the same on New Vegas and Skyrim any money when a fallout comes out people will be saying fallout 4 is a really awesome game this is by the time when there be like 20,000 mods for fallout 4 or more

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PostSubject: Re: Fallout 4 a Disappointment?   Fallout 4 a Disappointment? - Page 3 EmptyThu Jan 21, 2016 11:42 pm

@AussieShepherd117
ahh gotcha, brain working faster than fingers.

I think the biggest hurdle for fallout 4 is largely living up to its own hype. Fallout has a huge following, and everyone wants something they believe integral to the game.

I wrote a word wall lengthy opinion/ review of the game. There were some things that I know they could have down better other things I feel kind of just right, but im basing it personal preferences, people are free to disagree.

I really wish Bethesda didn't waste resources on Elder Scrolls Online though...and instead poured more into fallout 4.

Looking at it from a Sales point of view.. I guess this.
Witcher 3 sold 6 million copies in 6 weeks.
Fallout 4 sold 12 million copies in 24 hours.

Realistically no game can live up to the hype and expectations that were placed upon fallout 4.

I honestly see them doing more like the did with Oblivion and making DLC more akin to the Shivering Isles, where there are huge parts to explore. Enclave on the Moon and Underwater City... since 1/3 of the map is water.

the anticipation for DLC is killing me.
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ahh gotcha, brain working faster than fingers.

i know but the hype turned out good for me since im a huge fan of building bases in games which fallout 4 added but yeah they need to make bad ass DLCs like isles 3 and New Vegas were a bit small but good overall waiting for the creation kit is the one that is really bugging me when that releases will have a infinite amount of quests being made maybe a Bioshock under water city now imagine that!!!

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PostSubject: Re: Fallout 4 a Disappointment?   Fallout 4 a Disappointment? - Page 3 EmptyFri Jan 22, 2016 1:16 am

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Yup, would love more places to see, or get on board the Chinese sub and see what happened to China. Imagine if like in FO3, but you actually have a working Air Craft Carrier show up....or with the GECK can you imagine setting up a base with like 3 Prydwens?

Just the ability to see and do... means I will probably have to get a better gaming laptop if I want to do all the things im dreaming... hrm
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Yup, would love more places to see, or get on board the Chinese sub and see what happened to China.  Imagine if like in FO3, but you actually have a working Air Craft Carrier show up....or with the GECK can you imagine setting up a base with like 3 Prydwens?

Just the ability to see and do... means I will probably have to get a better gaming laptop if I want to do all the things im dreaming... hrm

the flying aircraft carrier from avengers would be alright but i would prefer a oil rig base like the enclave one in fallout 2 with a elevator that goes down into the ocean with a massive military complex at your disposal with a sub port too and have area where you could build a generals quaters for your off duty needs you know.

what specs is your laptop might i ask

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you all sound like trolls ive played Fallout 4 for 250 hours still havnt finished the game this is the best Fallout ive played and ive played all the fallouts lot of people complain cause its not a RPG big woop did use know Fallout 1, 2 and tactics was a turn base game not a first and 3rd person view game might as well call it Elder Scrolls with guns right??.

and then you got guys saying it soo buggy i havnt seen many bugs let alone game breaking but i know Obsidian New Vegas was broken from the start while the fanboys try to hide that past yeah the game had many choices and factions but 4 atleast has four factions fallout 3 you could only side up with the BOS so i see that as a step up from Bethesda games.

New Vegas i can remeber got a craped on when it first launched everyone saying Fallout 3 was the best except for Fallout Turn Base Vets and now everyone decides to change they mind on the last minute same thing Skyrim people hated that talked crap about it two years later ten thousand mods later everyone saying its the best Elder Scrolls to play.

the settlement builder is the one of the greatest features i ever used in a fallout game and its based off a mod that was in 3 and New Vegas you guys just need to give the game some time mods does wonders when the Creation Kit comes out also since when has Bethesda been good at telling stories huh.

Don't get me wrong, it's a great game. It's just i expected more, i remember playing Oblivion and loving it so much, so i played Fallout 3; and i saw how cool this game was but heard the prequels were old games so i was hesitant to play them. Then New Vegas came out and seeing it; i thought "ehhh, just looks like Fallout 3 expansion." But i played it and enjoyed every minute of it, so i even got went to go play the first fallout and i saw how close it was and that fallout 3 felt more like a spinoff imo. Every Elder Scrolls game was great to play, especially Skyrim; me thinks it is because Bethesda started the Elder Scrolls. As opposed to Fallout i feel they neglected Fallout 1,2 and Tactics as they didn't give much to come from them.

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right??..

yeah they just too lazy that they canned it like disney with star wars the expended universe its a shame Bethesda Fallouts dont have humor like the first two gammes did

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Well much of the dark humor had to go away after Fallout 1, 2 and Tactics.
It had stepped more into the realm of mainstream games.... which mean kids are immortal and certain things are a big no no... Detonating Megaton in the Japanese Version... nope.... Brahmin in the Indian Version... Nope... Overall Censorship im told in the European Versions?


The Humor was hilarious in 1 and 2... and sadly when transitioning it to a more... happy go lucky type of development.. some of it got lost... the humor couldn't be as morbid... some forms of violence right now... basically its a case of politically correctness ruining a game.
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Well much of the dark humor had to go away after Fallout 1, 2 and Tactics.
It had stepped more into the realm of mainstream games.... which mean kids are immortal and certain things are a big no no... Detonating Megaton in the Japanese Version... nope.... Brahmin in the Indian Version... Nope... Overall Censorship im told in the European Versions?


The Humor was hilarious in 1 and 2... and sadly when transitioning it to a more... happy go lucky type of development.. some of it got lost... the humor couldn't be as morbid... some forms of violence right now... basically its a case of politically correctness ruining a game.

they could of atleast kept the low intelligence dialogue where your a complete autistic player

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I think is a preety good game but I think the first fallout and new vegas are much better. But still being a masterpiece.
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As an FPS and a game in general, it's fantastic. As a Fallout game and an RPG... kinda meh. The lack of a true survival mode (like New Vegas), the gutting of the dialogue system, and the average main quest storytelling (kind of a given in a Bethesda game) hold the game back a little. I think you guys make a good point in saying its a victim of its own hype. I remember how insane r/Fallout went during the E3 showcase.

I really hope Bethesda gives Obsidian another shot at a Fallout game with the upgraded engine, because with the new features, that game could be really special.

That being said, its a damn fun game still, and I've put in plenty of hours, and will still put in more. I can't wait to see what the modding community does with it once the GECK is released, especially the people here.

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I think it just needs a lot more content and side quests

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@"Lillandoniril" Yeah I second that. But I think they might just going to release very big dlcs, like dawnguard and dragonborn in Skyrim, which are two main quests line themselves. If they make 4 of those I thing I would be satisfied.
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I'm absolutely loving it. My only slight issue was how bright and colorful it was, but holy cow if you get a good ENB setting, It makes the game perfect! Other then that it has everything I wanted from Fallout NV and Fallout 3.

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I rather like it, but find that it needs a lot more enemy encounters. But im sure the guy that makes the warzones mod for bethesda games with correct that.

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inaki2307 wrote:
I think is a preety good game but I think the first fallout and new vegas are much better. But still being a masterpiece.

i would say Fallout 2 is the best with the amount of things you could do Role play choice wise something we wont see in bethesda games and maybe obsidian

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