Soo was kinda curious who you all beat the game with?  

I choice NCR or Yes Man.  
i actually never beat it with legion. Do to fact i look down on slavers and kill any chance i get <_< BUT eh
lol

I chose to finish the main quest with the NCR mainly because of attachments with them that came from Fallout 2. They are far from perfect, but I would rather have them governing the Mojave than Caesar's Legion or Mr. House.

I choose the NCR in most cases however I would prefer and independent Vegas allied with NCR. Sadly the Independent choice seems poorly implemented and seems to just lead to chaos.

Being honest, the first time I played Fallout New Vegas was the modded concept of it. I WAS going to help NCR, considering my faction SKMC could possibly make an alliance with them. But after playing through it, I noticed how self-centered and selfish the NCR are. I certainly make no pledge of alliance to Caesar's Legion, as slavery violates SKMC's charter and the fact they're prejudice against women.

But in the end, the NCR proved no better than the Legion. Both of them want to force you into their way of living. I don't give a damn about Mr. House either. Considering that old senile asshole makes us have to pay a toll to get into the strip. Thankfully, I am working on ways to circumvent that, and without wasting my time sneering back at NCR's thugs guns blazing and such when I wanted to use the subway. Even playing for security detail in the president's service, if it's a security sweep, it should be a security sweep. Plain and simple. Otherwise, don't ask us to check, Ranger Grant. *ahem* But that's not the reason I hate NCR.

I hate NCR because they show how much they under-appreciate their allies' help. If they don't appreciate my help, f*ck 'em. The second reason is they don't give food or water to the kids near Camp Golf or some other place, I don't remember exactly. The third and final reason is NCR violated my law that restricts the killing of unarmed civilians. I heard what happened at Bitter Springs. They could've taken the kids into an orphanage or something, but nooooo. They just had to 'roll in guns blazing' because the Great Khans killed some of their terrorist boot-licking Crimson Caravaneers, sorry I had to say it. Maybe they weren't terrorist helpers back then, but if the Crimson Caravan doesn't want to respect SKMC and NCR taking this dispute privately, then I consider them terrorists for aiding the enemy. Also, the load screens mention they don't like playing the role as peacekeeper, but again doesn't the wasteland lack of a proper justice system as it always. Killing civies is bad, but killing children just crosses the line. In my eyes, NCR needs to pay and answer for what they've done.

As much I would like to repair civilizations, reform city and state governments for each, but again it's a lot of work, even for the courier in the unmodded version. I don't like any of the endings, but I'm afraid independent Vegas is my only pick. I guess you could say, I prefer a dangerous freedom than a peaceful slavery. But overall, NCR is not exactly 'evil' like the Legion, but it doesn't make them the good guys either. Just a bunch of assholes to me.

I've honestly only every played through the once and I believe I sided with NCR. Will be interesting to see which faction I side with this time.

Admiral Slyther wrote:

IThe third and final reason is NCR violated my law that restricts the killing of unarmed civilians. I heard what happened at Bitter Springs. They could've taken the kids into an orphanage or something, but nooooo. They just had to 'roll in guns blazing' because the Great Khans killed some of their terrorist boot-licking Crimson Caravaneers, sorry I had to say it.

Bitter Springs

The NCR continued to pursue its goals in the Mojave Wasteland by attempting to eradicate the Great Khans. The NCR believed to have found the main headquarters of the Great Khans at a location known as Bitter Springs. They failed to realize that Papa Khan had led the main Khan fighting force out of Bitter Springs before they had arrived. In 2278 the NCR sent the 1st Recon unit under the command of Major Gilles to Bitter Springs in the hopes of decimating the Khans fighting force. Commanded to fire until they ran out ammunition, the 1st Recon unit inadvertently slaughtered the sick, the children, and the elderly members of the Great Khans. Referred to as the Bitter Springs Massacre, the incident outraged the Great Khans and was heavily criticized by both proponents and opponents of the NCR as a major tactical mistake.

you know the slaughter of children/sickly and elderly was a accident right? XD

During my first few playthroughs of New Vegas, I always seemed to drift over to the NCR.
It usually begins with me appointing the NCR sheriffs of Primm,
giving them definitive control of trade on Hi-15 between Goodsprings and the Mojave Outpost.
Also, the taxes they collect on the citizens isn't that bad either.
I understood their principles, respected them for their sacrifice,
and accepted them as the most just rulers for New Vegas compared to the other possible choices.

   As the Admiral said earlier, (Salutes),
Mr. House wants an unbeatable empire with all of the riches to back it.
No one will stand in his way if he sets his mind on a goal.
He and Caesar aren't really that different after all!
Always in my playthroughs I would let House live out of respect for the old man.
After all, he did save most of Vegas from the Great War bombings thanks to him planning ahead.
I would, eventually, start doing quests for House, upgrading the Fort Securitrons,
just really being his obedient lapdog.
Until...he asked, no, DEMANDED I kill the NV Brotherhood of Steel chapter.
This was where I draw the line.

 
I'm a proud member of the B.O.S. and, after having completed Broken Steel thanks to TTW,
would not stand for the senseless slaughter of my power-armored brothers and sisters.
After House wouldn't see reason, I killed his guards, opened his stasis container,
and left him to die. Thus ends the New Vegas Tyrant.

   Caesar, just like House, wants New Vegas to show his power.
Caesar wants a Rome, and he will have it or die trying.
Personally, I think they make Caesar WAAAAY too easy to kill early in the game.
Sure, 10 guards are great to protect you against the random rebellious slave,
but when 8 heavily armored men/women walk in with the courier,
those guards turn from threats into red paste!
(Literally for me. I have the perk that lets me harvest Thick red paste from dead enemies, yet it doesn't count as cannibalism...  ).

   Back on track,
Caesar has been asserting his dominance over his 86 tribes by assaulting small tribes in Utah,
Arizona, and Colorado, and many other states.
He gains more recruits for his Legion by killing all of the men, sick, and weak.
He then takes the females and the young boy to either be slave workers or soldiers of the Legion.
These boys are taught to respect and honor their superiors and Caesar until their last breath.
Many of the boys grow to care for their handlers and trainers.
This is evident in the two legion boy recruits directly in front of Caesar's compound entrance being upset and fleeing from the courier if he kills the boy's trainer.
The slaves, however, are not treated as well.
Female slaves may be auctioned off as officer's wives if they are attractive,
or be forced to do embarrassing labor jobs,
such as carry insanely heavy packs from one location to the other.
Older women may be killed or turned into maids for officers.
Either way, Caesar's Legion is too authoritarian and cruel for me to ever side with them.

   Back to the NCR,
I have grown to care for many of the troopers and rangers of the Mojave.
Chief Hanlon reminds me of my own grandfather, so sometimes I will go and just listen to him speak.
Pappas is strict, formal, and a pain in the ass, but once you befriend her, you have a true ally.
Captain Gilles truly wants to help the refugees in Bitter Springs.
Sincerity is not something that is very common in the wasteland.
Finally, Colonel Hsu is my favorite NCR member in the entire game.
Forget Lieutenant Gorobets, or Betsy, or General Oliver.
Hsu is, in my opinion, the most iconic and respectable member of the NCR,
besides the veteran ranger.
Hsu is truly the best member of the NCR. He should be a general, not a Colonel.

 "Calm is what you have to be when people look to you.
And it's all you can be when things are out of your hands"
                                                     -Colonel Hsu

   The NCR may be ripe with corruption,
it may not have a perfect track record with military operations,
it may not be the peacekeepers that the Republic and New Vegas needs,
but they are the only people who can get the job done.


EDIT: I wish I could write like this on my AP essays. I need a life

FalloutAddict wrote:

you know the slaughter of children/sickly and elderly was a accident right? XD

I would've forgiven NCR's past crimes if they didn't show an act of hostility towards my faction, but most importantly me, which I explained earlier. So anyone like Papa Khan or the Powder Gangers for instance, speak of murder and corruption within the NCR's ranks, for once, I tend to agree with most of them. The NCR may say it has it's reasons, but SKMC cares not for NCR's reasons. So why should I respect NCR if NCR don't show respect to us? That's my whole point, lol

Even some drunk or otherwise NCR MP just approached one of my characters on the strip for absolutely no reason at all. Then a fight starts, and I'm forced to kill all NCR presence within that area. I have a threshold to how much abuse I can tolerate. XD

No Gods, No Masters! Free Vegas!

I don't like Legion, and can care less about NCR. Mr. House is greedy. I level the playing field and make it equal opportunity for all.

Admiral Slyther wrote:

FalloutAddict wrote:

you know the slaughter of children/sickly and elderly was a accident right? XD

I would've forgiven NCR's past crimes if they didn't show an act of hostility towards my faction, but most importantly me, which I explained earlier. So anyone like Papa Khan or the Powder Gangers for instance, speak of murder and corruption within the NCR's ranks, for once, I tend to agree with most of them. The NCR may say it has it's reasons, but SKMC cares not for NCR's reasons. So why should I respect NCR if NCR don't show respect to us? That's my whole point, lol

Even some drunk or otherwise NCR MP just approached one of my characters on the strip for absolutely no reason at all. Then a fight starts, and I'm forced to kill all NCR presence within that area. I have a threshold to how much abuse I can tolerate. XD

Yea i was just making a point on your one part. Not everything bud.

FalloutAddict wrote:

Yea i was just making a point on your one part. Not everything bud.

LOL yeah, the Great Khans weren't in the innocent field either. If anything, even my empire is not perfect, but I believe I can still do a better job than NCR. That's for sure. I'm making a mod based on it too, for me and my buddies to play. Hopefully I can get it done soon, and maybe I'll involve the choice for players to let NCR live or not at the end of the mod. STAG tolerates NCR way less than SKMC does. And STAG's commandos are to the SK gov, as the rangers are to the NCR. Both volunteer elite forces in their own perspective.

My characters all have overall different ideals when it comes to the various factions, but they all agree on one thing. They all hate the legion.

Each character backstory is different but I will give a basic rundown of one character which is actually twin girls.

Katie and Kathrine (Kit and Kat) were born into a small village in what is now Ceasers territory. When the Legion arrived Ceaser knew that a small village of farmers was better than a city of dead and slaves. He offered the village a deal that they would provide food for the Legion and they would be protected from raiders and fiends, the village agreed, but the soldier in charge believed that this was a ruse to lower the villages guard and destroy it from the inside. Realising what had happened Ceaser ordered the soldier in charge executed but found out that two slaves he took (Kit and Kat) murdered him and fled the camp eventually winding up in the Mojave.

In terms of vanilla factions and everything, I go for the NCR, sure they aren't great but they seem like the lesser evil in this case. I don't have much of a huge point to make since I'm not much of a debater, but independence seems like it would end in chaos, as would House's outcome, the legion is focused on slavery and brutality, the NCR may be rude to people, but in my eyes they're the best available chance.

@DVAted You can convince them to form an alliance if Hardin is not put in charge of the BOS.

I have noticed that during most of my playthroughs, I tend to become allied with the NCR, but I tend to go for an independent Mojave. I do not think I could ever side with the Legion or House, even if I was playing an evil character. The NCR tend to come across to me as a purely expansionist government, wanting to control all they survey.

Maybe I just like causing trouble and then sneaking off while everyone else has to sort the mess out XD

@DVAted, that is a really good explained summary you did right there. Couldn't agree more. NCR also taught me to hate the Republican party, seeing that they're only in it for their own self-interests. Even though you and I may not share the same beliefs in House's governance for New Vegas as his securitrons had to charge a toll just to enter the strip, I passed that with a science speak-check, but it's a well written point. The Grand Old Party(GOP) from what I know in real life, outlawed slavery once, but only so 'they' could eventually take up slaves. America is a corrupt society indeed, mostly their governments. The cycle of history and war repeats itself. Even if Germany had corrupt officials before World War II, there's no doubt alot of governments out there are backstabbing slaver little fucks with alot of money and in some cases, hired guns, mercenaries, etc.

But if 'I' were to establish a connection between New Vegas and my faction, it's good to see that House is not a political tyrant or so few believe, but I'm the kind of ruler that wants his people to make decisions for themselves, and I'll weigh in on anything if for instance, congress tries to pass bills in the name of corruption, etc. My goals are to repair society, build new homes for the sickly, the weak, the homeless, to end the long battle of Hoover Dam by making it a defeat for both sides. I want to establish a people's government, not one of those governments that select only a few politicians or anything like that. But most importantly, I for one will not rule over people's lives like NCR or the Legion does. I rather be the kind of ruler that watches out for his people, and protect his people. I seek justice for all, but of course there must be a law of balance that prevents people from slaughtering themselves.

But again, you made a really good point. +1 from me to you.

EDIT : Also for those of you who favored the Brotherhood of Steel, I too have. Though I'm sorry to say, but even some of the BoS treat the ghouls in the capital wasteland rather unfairly. Just pointing out that BoS are not 100% saints in this matter. They were the good guys in FO3, though like any other character I got to know in Bethesda's games, there's always a slight infraction of others.

DVAted - That's probably the best argued post on NV factions I've read. Too bad I can only +1 it once.

I agree with your criticisms of the NCR. I think it's easy to side with them and view the game as NCR (good guys) vs Legion (bad guys), but this is quite superficial. Every faction has a redeeming feature upon which you can focus if you want to side with them, and every faction has its flaws. If you listen to Achilles's dialogue in CNR, he explains this rather succinctly.

I think more people don't side with House because his character and faction simply aren't attractive. Who feels cool playing a game in the service of a nerdy computer screen supported by Jetson's style robot guards?

If mr house had a cyborg avatar with whom you interacted and the securitrons were more like something from the terminator series, he'd have a much higher surface appeal.

I usually played the game right up until the point you alienated yourself from certain factions. I found ways to stay in the good graces of everyone long enough to loot their safehouses, then I'd stick a c4 on caesar's pocket and walk away.

I did, however, do at least one play with every faction to get the achievement. When I played for the legion, I played as a female as a little f-you to caesar's sexist regime.

In my next play, I have an alternate story in mind. I'll share another time.