I don't like how people bank on Mr House ruling over New Vegas for years to come, I just don't think that's realistic, although that being said Mr House can certainly lay down the foundations of civilization back into outer New Vegas. He "can" not "would" as he has barely any interest in Freeside other than keeping people without any money trying to enter out.

The NCR is the best hope for the Mojave because although the top is incompetent, there are so high ranking members who can eventually rise to the occasion and make a difference i.e Chu, Moore, Boyd. The NCR also is actively trying to restore the wasteland to order as it's goal is such, while Mr House, like said before doesn't seem to be interested in that. Although effort doesn't mean much, in the wasteland you can't fault the NCR for lack of trying in the midst of the chaos.

I don't agree with independence only due to the fact that the Courier is essentially a perfect being that can essentially make any mistakes, so the margin of error is removed completely which makes the argument unrealistic in the sense of the future. What is realistic however is that in an independence ending, a power vacuum would have probably occurred after Mr House or The Courier's leadership and could send New Vegas into the wrong hands and with that, undoing centuries of work.

I honestly feel under better leadership, the NCR will easily prove itself the best option for the Mojave and potentially even the whole of Post War America, only because their goal is restoration, not enslaving or hoarding Pre-War electronics which easily sets them apart from the rest.

I usually go with the NCR ending. While all of the other factions complain that the NCR will just repeat the mistakes of the old world, I don't believe this will happen. I supported them hoping they would follow their goal of taking the good parts of the old world and leaving behind the bad. Groups like Caesar's Legion and Mr. House justify their immoral actions saying that it's needed to survive, but that just seems like an easy excuse for the ambitious to lean on. And I doubt that they could actually change the world based on their relatively small size in comparison to the large empire that is the NCR.

From listening to everything the NPCs have to say, and looking at recent NCR history, I have to say as an NCR supporter I think a Good Karma House victory with trade/treaties with the NCR is the best hope the NCR has at a bright future. All the destructive elements within the government and military that could destroy it from the inside out and turn it into something truly sinister all benefit and get boosts to their careers if the NCR gets a straight victory. With a House+NCR-Treaties victory the NCR not only gets the water and resources they need, they get an independent trading partner, the president loses his power in disgrace, the war mongers look like idiots and their agendas turn to dust, the NCR as a whole is forced to look inwards at it's many pressing issues, and it's the best chance they will get to put their house in order.

On top of that I genuinely believe the genius that founded RobCo, predicted the bombs dropping almost to the day, has made himself functionally immortal, was seemingly instrumental in the creation if Liberty Prime, can probably lift humanity as whole out of the muck and get everyone back up to Enclave tier technology and beyond without any of the nasty agendas beyond basic CEO antics. Humanity in Fallout needs to get off of earth to find a new planet to ruin. Otherwise there is a good chance the species is doomed long term.

It sucks if you live in Freeside/Westside or around Vegas, where House largely doesn't care about until he wants to extend the hotels/experience for visitors, but I when making region/planet changing decisions the larger ramifications come first. It's not like Jet addicts or people down on their luck will suddenly find their lives turned around under the NCR or Legion, unless by around you mean taxed out the behind or executed.

People seem to forget too often that House isn't anti-NCR and that the NCR winning is more complex than just beating the Legion and keeping the dam when it comes to their ongoing survival as a nation.

Never did a House route in New Vegas. But by what you say it sounds like that fixes a lot of the problems I have with the NCR. Definitely sounds like the best of both worlds.

I agree with OP on this post, the NCR is probably the best bet the Wasteland has (at least in the west that is), seeing as they are the most egalitarian force within it (it being the Wasteland)
Caesar does bring something interesting up, however, with how the clash between the NCR and

Caesar's Legion plays into Hegelian Dialectics, one being a thesis and the other being the antithesis, and the clash between the two will bring the synthesis, which is the idea that the result of the clash is that the synthesis will have none of the flaws of the previous two.
Caesar better explains it himself, in this video here:

Caesar frames this as how the Legion will become an actual empire, rather than a nomadic army,with the conquering of the NCR, but if you frame it to be favorable to the NCR,where they defeat the Legion, one can hope that Kimball will lead a campaign to try to end political corruption in the NCR, with the defeat of the Legion in the Mojave, but who knows

Caesar's Legion will never last in the long run. The NCR is just too big of a foe for them. I don't remember if Caesar is aware that defeat is inevitable, but if he isn't he seems awfully short sighted.

WarcRhymes wrote:

Caesar's Legion will never last in the long run. The NCR is just too big of a foe for them. I don't remember if Caesar is aware that defeat is inevitable, but if he isn't he seems awfully short sighted.

Yeah I agree, they could possibly hold the Mojave and make some sort of entry point into California.

Attrition would make the Legion fall due to needing a majority of their forces in the West to take it over, something that is actually brought up in the talk with Lanius if you have 100 Speech (seen here:)

In the long run, it's go to be NCR. Of the 4 choices, the NCR is the only group with the ability to deliver long term, lasting stability, in spite of it's flaws. It's more of a smorgasbord style of peace though, with a mixture of successes and failures, but for each of the NCR's flaws it has the massive upside of being the only faction to offer freedoms under a democracy, as well as social and political progressiveness that can lead to the nation's growth and development.
As much as the NCR under its current administration has took a turn to a more imperialistic (and arguably ineffectual) style of government, it has also delivered safety and security to its heartlands, and in the NCR ending, does deliver that along its frontiers as well.
The NCR is more of a compromise ending. You don't get everything you want, but you do get the important parts, depending on how you play.

That said, House would probably be best in a purely economical and tech based standpoint though. He probably has the grandest ambition as well as being the only person with the ability to achieve it, but his ambition will do very little to benefit anyone, ohter than himself and a select few hangers on, like the Casino Families and potentially, the Courier.

IRORIEH wrote:

In the long run, it's go to be NCR. Of the 4 choices, the NCR is the only group with the ability to deliver long term, lasting stability, in spite of it's flaws. It's more of a smorgasbord style of peace though, with a mixture of successes and failures, but for each of the NCR's flaws it has the massive upside of being the only faction to offer freedoms under a democracy, as well as social and political progressiveness that can lead to the nation's growth and development.
As much as the NCR under its current administration has took a turn to a more imperialistic (and arguably ineffectual) style of government, it has also delivered safety and security to its heartlands, and in the NCR ending, does deliver that along its frontiers as well.
The NCR is more of a compromise ending. You don't get everything you want, but you do get the important parts, depending on how you play.

That said, House would probably be best in a purely economical and tech based standpoint though. He probably has the grandest ambition as well as being the only person with the ability to achieve it, but his ambition will do very little to benefit anyone, ohter than himself and a select few hangers on, like the Casino Families and potentially, the Courier.

The issue with a straight NCR victory is that President Kimball, General Oliver, Moore, and all the buttholes who exemplify the worst parts of the NCR all get to claim part of that victory, to the detriment of the NCR as a whole and the people back home. Expansionist warmongering is already killing the NCR with a thousand cuts. It's why they need the Dam in the first place, because they have used up practically all their water resources, and so forth. The only way things can improve is if they get kicked in the nuts and have to take a long look at themselves as a nation. That's where a House victory can come in handy. I explain my reasoning for thinking so above.

As for House only benefiting himself and a select few, you mean that in the short term, right? Because his vision to to lift humanity back up, and within the century having colony ships heading out to viable planets. He's a massive narcissist, but he is one who bases his great view of himself on how much he has done and given to mankind. He wants all the praise and glory for how much smarter than everyone else in the room he is, if he even respects them enough to care, but to get that praise and glory he'll follow through on his own promises. I mean just look at the lives he gave the tribals who would become the families. They went from banging rocks together to being basically wealthy business owners because they listened to him. He even largely left them to their own devices, as he has no desire to micromanage people.

If the Legion takes New Vegas, it will end up just another crumbling ruin. It's only real value was its tourism and gambling "sin city" revenue, but with lunatics like the legion soldiers there, that will die. There will be nothing special about it within a few years of the conquest.
Seriously, how many people would rather be policed by a typical mojave legion soldier or an NCR soldier? Which one seemed more pleasant to you? I could go on. The worst thing I usually heard from an NCR soldier was complaining about the heat. The legion? Well you're probably a slave now, possibly dead for little to no reason. Do you want to be an abused slave or live in a comfy newly built home with an elected, greedy senator? It's not even a question for me.
House is great... if you believe him. Me personally? I think he's a damn fool who didn't even know how to lock his door and was willing to let a total stranger into his sanctum and potentially kill him without _any_ way to stop this stranger if it came to that. At least one of my Couriers did exactly that ... went "you damned fool, you just killed yourself by letting me, a total and complete murderous lunatic, into your sanctum!"
No one who would let an absolutely crazed murder into their home and past all of their defenses is someone I'd put my faith in for such a long term plan. No way. But House is _absolutely_ blindly trusting, and very, very easy to kill.
But ultimately it'd be the writers who would have the power to decide if House had what it took to reach the stars, but the writers never said anything. The epilogue never went that far into the future.

If the Legion takes New Vegas, it will end up just another crumbling ruin. It's only real value was its tourism and gambling "sin city" revenue, but with lunatics like the legion soldiers there, that will die. There will be nothing special about it within a few years of the conquest.
Seriously, how many people would rather be policed by a typical mojave legion soldier or an NCR soldier? Which one seemed more pleasant to you? I could go on. The worst thing I usually heard from an NCR soldier was complaining about the heat. The legion? Well you're probably a slave now, possibly dead for little to no reason. Do you want to be an abused slave or live in a comfy newly built home with an elected, greedy senator? It's not even a question for me.
House is great... if you believe him. Me personally? I think he's a damn fool who didn't even know how to lock his door and was willing to let a total stranger into his sanctum and potentially kill him without _any_ way to stop this stranger if it came to that. At least one of my Couriers did exactly that ... went "you damned fool, you just killed yourself by letting me, a total and complete murderous lunatic, into your sanctum!"
No one who would let an absolutely crazed murder into their home and past all of their defenses is someone I'd put my faith in for such a long term plan. No way. But House is _absolutely_ blindly trusting, and very, very easy to kill.
But ultimately it'd be the writers who would have the power to decide if House had what it took to reach the stars, but the writers never said anything. The epilogue never went that far into the future.

Personally I think the most likely are any of the other endings besides Caesar, even if he did win like foreshadow constantly or just outright stated in the game is mortal and once he dies the Empire will crumble.

Personally I think the NCR needs a good kick in the nuts to humble them, they're too ambitious and arrogant them winning this will only enable their bad behavior and could result in them being an enemy to the people they are suppose to serve in the future.

House would make a for a potential interesting story too, Vegas becoming it's own faction and for crazy fan theorists this is the ending that leads into "The Outer Worlds" which i can totally see honestly. I personally don't go with him mainly because I don't agree with the actions he takes to ascend humanity to next level but I wouldn't be opposed to see where his ending would have taken the story next, cause his advances would be a radical change in technologies.

I have feeling the "No Gods No Masters" is probably the safest bet in terms of keeping Fallout, Fallout. NCR is brought down peg, House is prevented from advancing Fallout from Mad Max to Blade Runner, and Caesar is prevented from hanging everyone from a cross. It might be the most boring ending too as things remain as they are and potential advancement for humanity is slowed down, ensuring the next story will still be similar to the last few.

Obdulio wrote:

Vegas becoming it's own faction and it for crazy fan theorists this is the ending that leads into "The Outer Worlds" which i can totally see honestly.

Wow I haven't heard about this. Sounds very interesting though. I agree with you for the most part. You don't really want to help anybody like House or Caesar's legion, because the future doesn't look to good in any case where they gain power.

I'd say that independent Vegas would probably end up being the better choice over all for sustainability, but I usually side with the NCR just because I'm a citizen of the Republic through and through.

I never really trusted House, he seems far too impartial and his ability to do anything for the sake of "progress" reminded me a great deal of the misguided reasoning that led to The Master and the ultimately the Super Mutants. Sometimes a greater good can't be achieved by waving morality in select cases, sometimes you just have to hold up progress for the sake of what's morally "right".

As for Caesar's Legion, they haven't a chance. Their "might makes right" mentality will eventually dissolve them, and without the leadership of Caesar himself, they'll fall apart in a span of years. Lanius may be a powerful warrior, but a leader he is not.

The NCR have their own problems, stretched way too thin, with too many cogs in the machine, they'll likely fall apart without drastic overhauls to the system as it stands. They have good intentions, and a rich history, but there is a need for change.

gakusangi wrote:

The NCR have their own problems, stretched way too thin, with too many cogs in the machine, they'll likely fall apart without drastic overhauls to the system as it stands.  They have good intentions, and a rich history, but there is a need for change.

Yeah that's why I think Independent New Vegas is the safest bet, as it doesn't destroy the NCR but the loss will hopefully give them 2nd thoughts though it might also make thing worse like a "Vietnam" kind of situation.

Obdulio wrote:

Yeah that's why I think Independent New Vegas is the safest bet, as it doesn't destroy the NCR but the loss will hopefully give them 2nd thoughts though it might also make thing worse like a "Vietnam" kind of situation.

You know, that's not a bad way of thinking about it. When you make them remember they can lose, that they aren't invincible, the changes in attitude that follow does make results. The politicians will be less inclined to promote "conquest" because their citizens are battle weary, and it will force them to be far more diplomatic and concerned with making improvements to avoid future losses that might be more costly.