Ive always been a BOS player in all fallouts ive played.When i played New Vegas i was kind of disapointed that there was no BOS ending, so i usually make the independent vegas ending in most of my characters.Whats your opinion?

-"Through discourse, we gain the strength of our Brothers' minds.
-"Give way your suspicions to the wisdom of thine Elder. Where he shows trust, so shall you."
-"Shield yourself from those not bound to you by steel, for they are the blind. Aid them when you can, but lose not sight of yourself."
-"Fear those who do not pledge to the Brotherhood for though their eyes may be opened through service, they are now blind."
-"We do not help them, or let them in. We keep knowledge they must never have.

It would only work if the BoS were a bigger faction in the game. Also I don't think that the BoS would be capable of running New Vegas because they are more set on group ideology instead of nation building.

I guess yall kinda right. But if the BOS started to recruit tons of people like the midwestern they could possibly become a powerful faction one again. Veronica is right i guess,or we evolve or we die.

BoS is probably my least favorite faction out there. In my opinion they'll never become as strong as the NCR or Caesar's Legion only due to the fact that their chapters have different ideas and there isn't a distinct feeling of unity between them.

They're very similar to the Boomers in the sense that they're extremely xenophobic, and xenophobic doesn't go hand in hand with expansion. Caesar's Legion was able to gain power rapidly due to their many conquering of tribes, while NCR expanded through trade, ect.

The Brotherhood of Steel is just a bigger version of the Boomers who hoard tech and occasionally help out the wastes if you ask me.

The Brotherhood is frankly too small to warrant their own ending, their best case scenario would be an Independent Vegas, or some sort of lasting treaty with the NCR that kept them from getting killed off. Obviously they are still alive somewhere farther west than the Commonwealth or DC, as the West Coast chapters were contacted by then approved Maxson some time pre-FO4.

The BoS in NV were simply too weak to be one of the power players. They got decimated in their war with the NCR and were extremely xenophobic which meant that they very rarely accepted new members. The Courier has to go through a bunch of hoops just to talk to them. They simply don't have the numbers to be significant. The reason it boils down to the NCR, Legion, and House is because they each have a literal army. The BoS has a small handful of troops. They simply don't have enough to take on all 3 major forces. The 3 major players don't like them either. They might have a chance with allying with the NCR, but that's only if a diplomat is sent to them as they are too xenophobic to do it themselves. Mr. House asks you to blow them up if memory serves correctly and they would likely want to kill House because he's using advanced tech to play god and they abhor that. The Legion might not have too much to fight against the BoS, but they would want the BoS to kneel and assimilate, which the BoS would not do.

So all 3 major factions don't like them, outnumber them, and outgun them.

It did. It's when you side with Elijah in Dead Money.

@"Visible Earth" Yeah, but that wasn't canon. Theoretically it could've happened, but I think that the Courier wouldn't be so stupid to side with Elijah unless they are mentally unstable like him.

There's a mod out there that allows you to spare the Brotherhood if you're playing for House. I think that's the best ending you can achieve. Honestly I would love to see the Brotherhood portrayed as they were in Fallout Tactics. I wish game would revisit the Chicago area and build on lore of the Mid West Brotherhood.

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There's a mod out there that allows you to spare the Brotherhood if you're playing for House. I think that's the best ending you can achieve. Honestly I would love to see the Brotherhood portrayed as they were in Fallout Tactics. I wish game would revisit the Chicago area and build on lore of the Mid West Brotherhood.

I believe the mod is called "BrotherhoodHouseAlliance" and can be found at the Nexus site.

The west coast BOS have traditionally been small, dying factions, despite their technological power. They never seem to fare well.

BOS of new Vegas is
1) Too small
2) Too weak
3) Too isolationist

If you play Veronica's quest through, you 'll learn that the BoS has no real interest in expansion or changing it's ways. House and Yes Man both agree that the BoS would oppose a Vegas defended by technology they didn't fully understand. Their real interest would be in disassembly and research as oppose to ruling Vegas. McNamara even admits that the BoS is destined to die out, and Hardin is entirely set in his ways. Neither seems like they have any intention of taking over Vegas since it offers nothing to their order's goals. They are neither ambitious or determined enough to put in the effort to take over Vegas, and they completely lack the power to take Vegas.
The player couldn't become Elder either since they are a complete stranger coming into a small, xenophobic order. No way would anyone follow them over two men they trust as Brothers.

All in all, it wouldn't make any sense, though that's not to say I didn't want a bigger BoS role in FNV. But I think after playing the first two fallouts, reading about Van Buren and taking into account the full extent of the West Coast Lore, it makes sense that a pseudo knightly order founded in the wake of nuclear war and a new dark age, are dying out now with the re-emergence of civilisation.

IIRC they have an ending but they only get it when you destroy the robot army of Mr. House + Independent Ending.

But if you are looking for a "Main Faction" like ending then I do not think that would work because, as everyone else have mentioned, they are far too small, isolationist and xenophobic.

They cannot hold that many areas because they do not have the man power nor do they care because of their isolationism and they will not take an outsider into their ranks(with the exception of the courier). The west coast BOS is too xenophobic to recruit people outside their circle for that.

The BOS were to undermanned to truly make a meaningful push against either the Legion or the NCR. The NCR had kill on sight order for the BOS anyway. If they weren't so xenophobic and recruited from the wasteland they may have had a chance, but the way they were written into New Vegas really didn't give them a chance at all.