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Lillandoniril
Posts : 140 Join date : 2015-09-09 Age : 24 Location : Sanford, Maine
| Subject: NCR Ranger Vs. Metro Spartan Ranger Wed Jan 13, 2016 1:25 am | |
| If both of these ranger warriors fought to the death in the Bering Strait who would win |
| | | Shiggyy
Posts : 6 Join date : 2016-01-13 Age : 29 Location : Four States Commonwealth
| Subject: Re: NCR Ranger Vs. Metro Spartan Ranger Wed Jan 13, 2016 1:20 pm | |
| The spartan rangers have a larger and more modern arsenal than the NCR. They also seem to be better equipt overall. It would be a close fight but with what the spartans have to fight with in the metro I give them the edge. |
| | | danbrother
Posts : 356 Join date : 2015-03-10 Age : 40 Location : Russia
| Subject: Re: NCR Ranger Vs. Metro Spartan Ranger Wed Jan 13, 2016 2:12 pm | |
| Friendship! :-)
Those guys, who have faught so tough and for so long, have nothing to quarrel over.
A man who really knows what the war is, like both of those guys, have the least wish to unleash it ;-) _________________ There will allways be an Unknown Soldier to save the world and fade away |
| | | BoomBewm
Posts : 2559 Join date : 2014-04-30 Age : 34 Location : Bulgaria
Character sheet Name: Levski Faction: Bulgaria Level: 79
| Subject: Re: NCR Ranger Vs. Metro Spartan Ranger Wed Jan 13, 2016 2:16 pm | |
| I think that the Metro Spartan Rangers will win,because to me they simply have more experience.I mean sure,NCR Rangers fight all kinds of abominations but is the wasteland filled with radioactive rain?Noooo its not,and them compared to the Metro rangers look like rookies going on their first mission. |
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Posts : 970 Join date : 2015-04-14 Age : 25 Location : London, United Kingdom
| Subject: Re: NCR Ranger Vs. Metro Spartan Ranger Wed Jan 13, 2016 2:25 pm | |
| The Spartan Rangers for me, better equiped, better training and just in general don't act like a bunch of pansy's like the NCR Rangers, if the NCR Rangers are the Elite squad of the NCR army, then why can't they defeat a couple of people in skirts and football gear who use machetes? Plus not to mention they would probably sooner rarther leave their comrades to death in a battle than help. - The Rangers Of The Order:
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| | | GenericRifleman
Posts : 523 Join date : 2014-11-23 Age : 25 Location : Arizona
| Subject: Re: NCR Ranger Vs. Metro Spartan Ranger Wed Jan 13, 2016 4:21 pm | |
| Alright, I've ranted about the NCR Rangers before. I love them but oh hell they do not stand a chance against any foe with modern weapons and equipment. Here's why - I'll start with the best first, and my personal favorite subject. Guns 'n shit. - Firearms:
Alright, so let's look at the NCR Ranger vs the Sparta Ranger arsenal. We'll go with the NCR boys first. The main rifle of the NCR in general is a standard AR type 5.56 'Service Rifle.' It's manufactured by the Gun Runners at a cheap cost to the NCR and supplied in mass to all it's soldiers, rangers included. Let's consider this their fallback weapon. Next up we have the upgraded Pre-War variant of the rifle, the Marksman Rifle. That's really the same gun with finer tuned internals and an ACOG scope, so it provides more range and better accuracy at best. Finally, we have the Ranger's strange ass arsenal ; cowboy firearms. This puts them at an awful disadvantage. They have larger calibers but the bullets themselves are rarer and even then, there's a reason we stopped using revolvers and repeaters at the advent of automatic weapons.
Their mainstay 'Cowboy' firearm is the Brush Gun, and that is usually backed up by a .357 or .44 magnum. Occasionally, elite rangers will utilize the .45 Govt' Ranger Sequioa. The load times on these are horrendous, but if they score a shot, they will definitely drop their target. Faced with harsh conditions however, their efficiency is less than spectacular. Let's also remember the Rangers have focused their arsenal on the western U.S.A., which in the Bering Strait, isn't very optimal.
Finally, we have the NCR Rangers' heavy weapons. The Fatman Mini Nuke launcher, which is basically mobile nuclear artillery, and the Anti-Material Rifle - the Hecate II. It's a long range .50 anti personnel weapon capable of taking targets out at ungodly ranges with precision accuracy. This, with the Fatman, provides the Rangers a significant advantage. However, with their several disadvantages to be listed later and already listed above, it pails in comparison to what the Rangers have in their own Arsenal.
(NCR lacks vehicles and Vertibirds/Trucks with Fusion Engines vs DsHKs will never end well so I'm skipping this section for the NCR's safety.)
Now let's take a look at the arsenal of the Sparta Ranger. The standard / most common rifle platform in the Metro is an AK type Kalashnikov rifle called the... Kalash. It's an AK-74M rifle, in reality. It uses the 5.45x45 caliber round and is common across the metro and in use by most military factions. It works well in all conditions and packs a devastating punch. It's also cheap to maintenance and rarely ever backfires. This can be considered the Sparta's fallback weapon.
A tier higher, and we find the Kalash 2012. A bullpup P90 style revolution of the AK platform, which in real life would not work at all due to lack of ejection port and various other things that, you know, a gun kinda needs to work. But in-game lore it's the best thing since sliced bread so that's what we're going with. With a 40 round 5.45x45 magazine and superior accuracy and range (And customization) to it's Californian counterpart, the Kalash 2012 takes the cake. Along with this, Rangers pack the Saiga semi-automatic shotgun. Devastation at close range. And being Kalashnikov, it hardly ever malfunctions. These Russian weapons are devastating and they work in most conditions, hardly like their cowboy counterparts.
Their highest tier weapon is actually the VSSK converted to Semi Automatic somehow. The VSSK in lore is a 12.7mm Anti Material rifle which is also silenced. It is also bullpup, and while it doesn't have as much range as the Hecate II, it packs a powerful round and is silenced. Again, in lore, that matters. The Sparta Rangers now have the drop on the NCR rangers, and that Fatman won't mean jack if they're up close already. As for their secondary, they pack the DsHK Heavy Machine Gun, which is a 12.7mm death dealer at med-long range. I'm sure everyone's seen it in something. It'll tear a man in half. This defeats the purpose of the NCR bringing any vehicles, as the fusion powered engines in them are weak af lore, and in game, so if they take heavy fire, they'd explode and kill everyone onboard and nearby.
- Gear / Equipment:
Next, let's take a look at the kit these bad boys run. Starting of course, with the Californian Cowboys.
The NCR Rangers rock standard issue LAPD Riot Control gear, trenchcoats, and hydration bladders. Let me say first that contrary to popular belief, even with a light amount of kevlar, Riot Control armor is ABSOLUTELY NOT tank armor. It is meant for RIOTs. Not HOSTILE FORCE ENCOUNTERS. Riots include blunt objects and at worst, small caliber firearms. Anything above a 9mm and you're just about dead, bruh. And even if your armor stops the projectile, the kinetic force of that round is knocking you on your ass. It's light and maneuverable, but it's pretty redundant in a wasteland scenario for a DIRECT ACTION group. The Ranger Combat Armor is a step above, and will deal significantly more protection for a Ranger. It's too bad the Elites haven't learned that. As for their Helmet, the night vision isn't anything that can't be achieved by conventional NVGs, and the red NVGs makes no sense from a realistic standpoint. But from a Lore-standpoint, it works. I guess. Regardless, that helmet is thin enough that any ballistic impact will give you a concussion, no arguments. At most, you're looking at protection from debris and shrapnel, and enhanced senses. Nothing more, nothing less.
As for recognizability, since half the battle is not shooting your own guys, the NCR Rangers are dressed in jeans and trenchcoats, with glowing red eyes. For Camo sakes, they stick out like a sore thumb and will be a target for snipers. For their own sakes, they are easily recognized by teammates and friendly fire isn't an issue. But skinny jeans aren't combat clothes, so they will be hindered. Not to mention the trench coat hindering movement as well. (Good god Obsidian, did you have /any/ military consultants on your team?) Let's not forget the horrendous lack of pouches for ammunition storage, so that's a down as well.
This was relatively quick. Let's get on to the winners of this match - the Sparta Rangers.
Sparta Rangers pack modern Russian / Spetsnaz equipment, and custom made Metro gear as well. They wear camo suited to their combat environment and are masters of urban warfare. They know how to utilize their equipment and pack for appropriate scenarios. MOLLE Webbing on their ballistic vests allows for customizable storage of pouches for various equipment and accessories from more medical supplies to more ammunition.
As for protection and recognizability, Spartans are distinctly more equipped and well off than their other metro counterparts, though they can be confused with other factions in the harsh winter environment. Though friendly fire isn't an issue, Spartans are trained to identify these hostiles amidst the harsh weather, so identifying friendlies will be easy. Camo wise, they've been shown to utilize various different forms of Camo, from winter based to woodland based. They'll be very concealed, and with their suppressed weapons, will pack a devastating blow to the NCR Rangers. Protective wise, the Ranger vest is a ballistic vest, so we can assume at most, it is a kevlar weave with a ballistic plate located in the center, with various ceramic armor pieces placed within the pads of the gear attached to the vest. Russian Helmets are also somewhat bullet resistant, so if they decide to bring their juggernaut along, they'll be even more significantly protected against their foe's weapons. Their ballistic vests alone outmatch the NCR ranger equipment by milestones, as a single ballistic plate protects more vital spots than the NCR Riot vest AND can actually stop something larger than a 9mm. Something to think about, da?
- Training & Conclusion:
Here's the important bit - their training. It's also the shortest.
NCR Rangers are trained for combat in the Western U.S. Wasteland. They know how to deal with hostile force encounters with wasteland creatures, raider groups, and smaller military forces. At best, they've dealt with the Brotherhood of Steel in force and won. Particularly because they had more bodies to spare, really. Regardless, Rangers chew nails and spit napalm. If only their equipment reflected that. Given that, however, the BoS relied on Power Armor and would make easier targets. The Legion are literally zerg rushers with football gear and machetes, and raider groups are hardly ever more armed than a few troopers. These are who the NCR are used to fighting. If placed up against an equal or better military force with decent equipment, they /will/ lose. That's the reason Vault City is still independent, more or less. (And Texas, huehue)
The Sparta Rangers are a smaller, elite group comprised of Pre-War Spetsnaz, VDV, and Post-War elite soldiers trained by the latter. They are not a force to be reckoned with. They do battle regularly with the fanatical communist Red Army and the crazed facist Fourth Reich. These are both trained military factions who have very different fighting styles. The Rangers have created strategies for dealing with both; counters for zerg rushes and small tactical assaults, respectively. They've already eliminated the NCR's strongest factors in any fight with these strategies. A single well trained and equipped Sparta Ranger team can eliminate any NCR group short of a Batallion in combat.
As for the location, the battle takes place in the Bering Strait, correct? This is the Sparta Ranger's territory. It's a freezing, harsh environment, that has no doubt been worsened by nuclear winter. The NCR Rangers WISH for a Nuclear Winter but they've never experienced it. The Sparta Rangers were born in it, molded by it. They've lived in it. They are the nuclear winter the NCR Rangers wish for, but as they say, be careful what you wish for, da?
Pretty much, the NCR Rangers would be at a loss for fighting in such conditions.
However, if they battled at the Hoover Dam, the Sparta Rangers would still have an advantage. The inner workings of the Fallout Hoover Dam mirror that of the D6 Missile site in Metro. The Sparta Rangers breathe Urban Warfare, and with NCR Rangers at a disadvantage without decent close range weapons ( a Saiga will beat a Riot/Combat Shotgun anyday) and command structure (when have you ever seen a group of Elite rangers cooperate effectively?), they'd be quickly wiped out by the Sparta Rangers. It would be a bloody and brutal fight, but in almost all circumstances, the Sparta Rangers come out on top.
Also, NCR = Fat Man? Sparta Rangers = D6 ICBMs. That and both parties have something similar to a stimpak which works the same way, so I didn't include that. Anyways, hope you enjoyed reading that. I enjoyed writing it. But we all know the 75th Ranger Regiment are the best Rangers. |
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Posts : 970 Join date : 2015-04-14 Age : 25 Location : London, United Kingdom
| Subject: Re: NCR Ranger Vs. Metro Spartan Ranger Wed Jan 13, 2016 6:44 pm | |
| @AceofSnakes also don't forget that the highest tier weapon in the Metro is the Preved aswell, a WW2 PTRD-41 which uses the 14.5×114mm round which in real life is as big as your hand. In the game it uses the 12.7x108mm round which is the same as the DSHK rounds, and boy let me tell you that bullet could destroy the NCR Rangers Riot Gear, if a 9MM can then imagine the damage the 12.7x108mm round can do. Also forgot to mention that the Spartan Rangers not only have good and protective combat helmets, but they also have the Soviet Spetsnaz GRU helmet, which comes with a bulletproof visor. _________________ - Steam:
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| | | Ghost_1021
Posts : 244 Join date : 2014-03-14 Age : 32 Location : Clarion Pa, USA
Character sheet Name: Hroth Gunnerson Faction: Minutemen Level: 38
| Subject: Re: NCR Ranger Vs. Metro Spartan Ranger Thu Jan 14, 2016 9:31 am | |
| Well I must say that Is impressive, The NCR ranger gear is not just our typical Riot gear look at the Honest Hearts Armor It was employed by Marines In the Resource War with China, surely they would be worried about more than a simple 9mm round. I get that it was Desert Ranger Combat armor but it is based on the same armor. With a separate universe it would be different, however the detailed analysis on the weapons and the lack of ammo pouches plus the hindering pants/coat are very well though out. that being said I would have to agree that the Spartan Rangers would wipe the floor with the NCR rangers. _________________ |
| | | GenericRifleman
Posts : 523 Join date : 2014-11-23 Age : 25 Location : Arizona
| Subject: Re: NCR Ranger Vs. Metro Spartan Ranger Thu Jan 14, 2016 10:33 pm | |
| - Ghost_1021 wrote:
- Well I must say that Is impressive, The NCR ranger gear is not just our typical Riot gear look at the Honest Hearts Armor It was employed by Marines In the Resource War with China, surely they would be worried about more than a simple 9mm round. I get that it was Desert Ranger Combat armor but it is based on the same armor. With a separate universe it would be different, however the detailed analysis on the weapons and the lack of ammo pouches plus the hindering pants/coat are very well though out. that being said I would have to agree that the Spartan Rangers would wipe the floor with the NCR rangers.
Good point but it's entirely possible (And likely) that the U.S.M.C. would employ a different set of ballistic systems for their own variant of the armor. In game, it only gives two more Damage Resistance than the normal NCR Ranger Armor. It still lacks a large amount of pouches as well. If the Marines used this, you can probably mix it with the Gobi Campaign Scout Rifle since they are of the same camo pattern, and create a seemingly realistic sniper loadout from the Military. It would make sense, since Combat Armor would have no doubt been standard issue to the rest of the Marines, along with the 'Military Fatigues' from Fallout 4. Marines get the Army's hand-me-downs, and a few pieces of specialized equipment. In universe, it'd be likely that the Gov't would supply all armed forces combat personnel with combat armor. Specialty armor, like the Vickers set, would probably have been issued to elements like Scout Snipers, and other recon based groups. Power Armor was probably given to select specialty soldiers and Special Operations personnel, but good god a SEAL wearing Power Armor would be downright wrong. |
| | | Ghost_1021
Posts : 244 Join date : 2014-03-14 Age : 32 Location : Clarion Pa, USA
Character sheet Name: Hroth Gunnerson Faction: Minutemen Level: 38
| Subject: Re: NCR Ranger Vs. Metro Spartan Ranger Fri Jan 15, 2016 7:34 am | |
| I would have to agree with you there on the SEAL in power armor haha. I didn't even think of the Combat armor, even though I use it in F04 _________________ |
| | | gunslinger6792
Posts : 299 Join date : 2014-04-04 Age : 32 Location : North Carolina, United States
| Subject: Re: NCR Ranger Vs. Metro Spartan Ranger Fri Jan 15, 2016 11:40 am | |
| Desert Rangers and Spartan Rangers are equipped and trained for two completely different environments of fighting. Spartan Rangers are probably poorly equipped and trained to fight on the surface or in a desert environment. Everything they wear and use and is mostly for underground short range urban warfare. Minus their occasional trips topside they usually do so in armored convoys to face dangers that are completely different from the Mojave wasteland.
Desert Rangers fight in extreme heat and over long distances. I get the feeling their main priorities are movement, speed, and protection from the sun hence the trench coat. Both groups are superior at what they do but comparing the two is like trying to compare jungle warfare to desert warfare and then asking which unit is better. It'd all depend on the situation. |
| | | Svide
Posts : 376 Join date : 2015-06-06 Age : 27 Location : Space
| Subject: Re: NCR Ranger Vs. Metro Spartan Ranger Fri Jan 15, 2016 8:38 pm | |
| Spartan rangers, Cause NCR Rangers just train and patrol the Mojave hoping to see some action while in the metro the Spartans have to fight almost every day and train everyday. Barely making it day by day. They even barely sleep! _________________ |
| | | nickenicole47
Posts : 87 Join date : 2015-04-29 Age : 28 Location : The Divide
| Subject: Re: NCR Ranger Vs. Metro Spartan Ranger Tue Jul 11, 2017 3:25 pm | |
| The only point of advange for me,for the NCR rangers are the Antimaterial rifle,it's devastating of any type of enemy.
But the Spartan Rangers have a lot of more experience,fight creatures that are more dangerous of deathclaw,for me. They know how to survive in surface,and underground with nothing and don't forget the Tank armor that they have!
For me,the winner will be the Spartan rangers. (And sorry for my poor english..) |
| | | Dead Sirious
Posts : 251 Join date : 2014-05-20
| Subject: Re: NCR Ranger Vs. Metro Spartan Ranger Tue Jul 11, 2017 5:22 pm | |
| NCR rangers for the win. It's easier to survive in the cold than the heat for starters. Water doesn't pour out of the sky in the Mojave. The Spartan Rangers don't gotta lose an arm nor leg for water. I prefer strong winters more than Las Vegas heat waves. Spartan Rangers don't face Brotherhood of Steel, Super Mutants, Cazadors, Legion, etc. Let's also throw in the major factor that Metro is newer with scripted cutscenes for action sequences and that NCR Veterans are limited to what Gamebryo can normally show. Regardless, NCR Veteran Rangers would snipe the Metro Spartan Rangers before they could even realize NCR presense. Que New Vegas start up cinematic
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| | | AtomicAtom
Posts : 3 Join date : 2016-04-13 Age : 25
Character sheet Name: MadAdaM Faction: Killing With No Feelings Level: 777
| Subject: Re: NCR Ranger Vs. Metro Spartan Ranger Sat Jul 15, 2017 7:29 am | |
| i think it depends on how well trained each ranger is. Both of these great wasteland fighters are skilled, but i feel like an NCR ranger would probably win depending on what each fighter is equipped with. like lets say an NCR ranger has a fatman. of course he will win. it kinda hard to loose with that lol _________________ aye..yuh...esketit
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| | | ahyuser001
Posts : 689 Join date : 2018-01-28
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| Subject: Re: NCR Ranger Vs. Metro Spartan Ranger Tue Feb 13, 2018 5:30 am | |
| It would probably depend where the battle would happen on the Bering Strait.
I would give the Spartan Rangers the edge if the engagement would happen in an urban area like a town due to the superior coverage of their armor as well as access to pouches which would give them a means to sustain fire on the NCR rangers.
The NCR rangers would not be able to utilize the advantage of their long barreled rifles in an urban landscape because it is not as flexible as a sub machine gun or an short barreled assault rifle. They would also not have as much bullets to sustain fire on the Spartan Rangers as the Cowboy rifles and revolvers that they have cannot really hold that many bullets.
If the engagement would happen on an open flat land, then the NCR Rangers would have the edge because of the power of the PGM Hecate II or the Anti-Material Rifle. It vastly out ranges any weapon that I know the Spartan Rangers have on their arsenal and it can penetrate their armor with ease.
The Spartan Rangers equipment superiority and urban combat experience is negated if the combat would happen on an open field. They would drop like flies before they could even shoot at the NCR rangers because of the range advantage of Anti-Material Rifle. _________________ Will there be enough Dakka? |
| | | Posterize4VC
Posts : 200 Join date : 2017-12-08 Age : 25 Location : U.S.
Character sheet Name: Chef Vortivask Faction: N/A Level: 999
| Subject: Re: NCR Ranger Vs. Metro Spartan Ranger Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:14 pm | |
| One can chew nails and spit napalm, and one was bred in the harsh metro tunnels of a post apocalyptic Russia, whilst fighting fearsome mutants for survival. That is one interesting fight indeed. _________________ Cursed be the ground, for our sake. Both thorns and thistles it shall bring forth, for us, for out of the ground we were taken for the dust that we are... and to the dust we shall return.
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| | | Enclave11
Posts : 137 Join date : 2016-10-29 Age : 27
Character sheet Name: Colonel Autumn Faction: Enclave Level: 80
| Subject: Re: NCR Ranger Vs. Metro Spartan Ranger Tue Feb 13, 2018 4:36 pm | |
| Ha think that the ranger subway will defeat the Ranger ncr, but if there is a ranger a veteran ncr then he will defeat the subway ranger.
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| | | Riddell26
Posts : 109 Join date : 2018-02-15 Age : 28 Location : Outer Rim
Character sheet Name: Commander Doom Faction: Grand Army of The Republic Level: 0-3
| Subject: Re: NCR Ranger Vs. Metro Spartan Ranger Wed Feb 21, 2018 1:04 pm | |
| If its a basic no name Spartan ranger vs an NCR ranger its pretty much a tie depending in the environment. If its close quarters like a subway obviously the spartan would win its where they grew up. Now if its out in the open the NCR have the advantage they are deadly long range marksman afterall. But if its an NCR Ranger vs Artyom, I'll ready the condolences to the rangers next of kin. _________________ " " "They grow up loyal to the Republic, or they don't grow up at all." ―Alpha-17 |
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