Well its time for me to replay to everyone now.

@beardofsocrates - Mods should never undo the mistakes that a developer did, i mean like how long was Fallout 4 being developed? 5 years? 7 years? That is a very long time and to think that modders have to do it for them. Shame on them.

@thegreataimbottio - If what you are saying is true then i have to say that its very sad, but i don't agree with every point i still think that Obsidian can fix the errors that Bethesda made, i still think that they can make the next Fallout game the RPG that it was mean't to be.

@gabet347 - Sure the game is fun but that is until you mod it, the game without mods is dead, their is so many things wrong with it until you mod it, the game can become slightly fun and enjoyable but only once you mod it, Fallout 4 did improve on some things i have to agree but in my eyes it removed more features than they improved on.

@maybenexttime - Fair enough, im not saying that you shouldn't buy it, its your money, im just going to wait until i see reviews, gameplay and when the prices drop down probably, i just don't trust Bethesda with another Fallout game, i only trust Obsidian now.

@ShanghaiBatz - Obsidian is our only hero now, i myself don't really mind the voiced protagonist but if they were going to add another voiced protagonist they need to add more dialogue options.

@ghostsniperx13 - Obsidian are the masters when it comes to RPG games, i mean just look at South Park The Stick Of Truth. They made that game super enjoyable, the made everything right and made the game super fun. You can always trust them because they can make everything right.

@lukaboot - If they keep on doing what they are doing right now, by that i mean removing all the things that made this a Fallout game then they will lose more of the older fans and start making more Fallout games casualized just to bring in the newer audience who have no clue on how a Fallout game was mean't to be like.

@Kayloo - Obsidian are the only real hope for a new Fallout game, if they are making the next Fallout game then i will be super happy. Just like many people, because for one it will go back to its own roots and for two it wont be casualized.

@BoomBewm - I have to strongly disagree with you, the deserts can be fun and they are fun, New Vegas for an example, if the next Fallout game was to be set in Arizona then that would be awesome because if you didn't know Arizona is a major location for the Legion in the Fallout Lore, so we would be able to see some of them, possibly new enemy types and amazing landmarks, such as the Grand Canyon or the Oak Creek Canyon, that would be amazing.

NO. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. I'll trust them when they will give every right on the game to Obsidian

@Stormlord
The truth has been spoken!

@VeteranAlpha: Let's not forget about Alpha Protocol or Dungeon Siege III. FNV wasn't particularly a standout, it just prioritised differently compared to FO3 (that being said, with the time constraints they were given, they did an admirable job). South Park would probably be the only damn-good game to come out of Obsidian after 2010 or so, along with Pillars of Eternity (if you're into isometric games).

I hate to admit it, but I actually want Bioware to take a crack at it. Just keep the modding capabilities around and I'll be a very happy man provided Bioware keeps up with their quality.

True, I think Bioware would be a better alternative if we want the franchise to keep its RPG root.

I would have a positive feeling about a partnership between Beth and another studio ( one which can deal well with the animation part for example ). Keep the basics, inject some brand new blood and new points of view .

While I do agree BioWare would be a good choice for a developer of Fallout, after the whole remaking the ending of a game due to player outrage thing I do not trust them to not do it again. BioWare should have stood its ground and left the ending as is rather that succumbing to basically a internet flash mob whining enough to make them change their creative direction. If it can happen once, surely it can happen again.

I personally would like to see a fallout from a country in Asia, they are talked about as the starters of the great war I am interested to see the mighty red menace first hand.

@dazzerfong - I don't really know what those games where but im going to guess that it was bad.

With the dip in quality from Skyrim to Fallout 4, and now with the Bethesda.net business, its clear that the humble, community driven roots of Bethesda have been abandoned. I personally think a good choice for a developer is CD Projekt Red. We have seen the good they do with the Witcher 3 and their attitudes towards DLC. They create a quality product, while also listening to what the community says.

Perfect choice

ededed117 wrote:

True, I think Bioware would be a better alternative if we want the franchise to keep its RPG root.

Ehhh seeing as how the voiced character basically made Fallout 4 Rad Effect I don't thinks so. Also with Fallout 4 there never really is any true role-playing. Unlike with New Vegas, where you can make your character have whatever background you want because their previous life was a mystery. In Fallout 4 you're always going to be that lawyer/veteran and you're going to always have that retarted voice. Want to make yourself look like a 250 pound huge black dude that can kick ass? You're still going to sound like some white dude in his 30's. Want to make and 70 year-old Asian grandpa that used to be a ninja? Still going to sound like something else. It doesn't help that all the dialogue options are basically:"yes, no, sarcastic yes". Even though you can make up the name and change the appearance, you're honestly playing as a set character and that's a real big shame

dazzerfong wrote:

@VeteranAlpha: Let's not forget about Alpha Protocol or Dungeon Siege III. FNV wasn't particularly a standout, it just prioritised differently compared to FO3 (that being said, with the time constraints they were given, they did an admirable job). South Park would probably be the only damn-good game to come out of Obsidian after 2010 or so, along with Pillars of Eternity (if you're into isometric games).

I hate to admit it, but I actually want Bioware to take a crack at it. Just keep the modding capabilities around and I'll be a very happy man provided Bioware keeps up with their quality.

The last decent game Bioware released was Dragon Age: Origins. Also, the studio now known as Obsidian made the best rpg of all time 18 years ago

I'll probably buy it, but only if they changed the engine. Fallout 4 is probably my last purchase from them if they keep using the Creation/Gamebryo engine. Also, I wouldn't have CDPR do it, I found so many annoyances when playing TW3. I hope Obsidian gets the chance to make the next Fallout game.

@"thegreataimbottio" you're right. I hope one day we'll get a fallout with D&D style character creation.

@Stormlord: Speak for yourself: I reckon DAI was significantly better than DAO.

I think I'm contrary to a lot of people here: people loved that you had practically no past nor history in FNV. I personally hated it, feeling that it was more lazy writing than anything else. When I play an RPG, I don't want to create my story, I'm going along someone else's story. That pretty much sums up about a solid 25% of hate regarding FO4.

Quests sucked they were shallow
complete lack of choice in what path you take
A.I is dumb like im shooting at people and piper is like "hey, i think someones out there" least Boone can tell wether or not he is being shot at.
they removed the best traits of FNV DTvsDR a variety of ammo the weapons are stupid compared to past ones.
instead of improving upon what made fo3 and fnv great games they tried to reinvent the wheel and the result i can say inspite of glarying issues was at least a 50% success fo4 is fun in its own right but not when compared to past games.

oh and Preston and the entire minutemen if i'm a general i should have some say in the decisions made henceforth from that promotion. "no,preston F*** you, you go take 5 men and set up a settlement and respond to distress calls" that sounds like more of a Pvt's job not a General
now i and probably every disgruntled fan out there can probably write a book on what should've happened but in short if bethesda makes another fallout i will wait and see how the community reacts once its released befoer i buy , i think bethesda can make great modders heavens but not a great game, they make really really stupid pants on head choices and sometimes just feels like they make really lazy choices to but hey i'm not them who had to make this game with soul crushing deadlines and probably 100's of hours in overtime per person. i am just a slightly annoyed fan with thinks things could've gone a different way and been better for it. I still play this game the modding community is building steam and as usual in 3 or 4 years will make this the game it always shouldve been.

ehhh

maybe, depends on if they continue support for fallout 4, the dlc's were pree bad in comparison to the older games

especially oblivion

dazzerfong wrote:

@Stormlord: Speak for yourself: I reckon DAI was significantly better than DAO.

I think I'm contrary to a lot of people here: people loved that you had practically no past nor history in FNV. I personally hated it, feeling that it was more lazy writing than anything else. When I play an RPG, I don't want to create my story, I'm going along someone else's story. That pretty much sums up about a solid 25% of hate regarding FO4.

So...why play an open world rpg then

@Stormlord: To explore a world the creators have made. Jeez, you make it sound like a blank slate is the only way to play an open-world game.