@mpaz96 that comment "It's pretty much a yes, yes by question, yes by joke, and no but it actually means yes" gave me a good laugh. I thought that was hilarious. I need to give kudos to whoever who said that.

For the 40 hours part, I beat the MQ and all of the side quests and discovered most of the locations. I didn't invest a lot of time in settlement building (although I did build on tower, tried to reach the sky but it wouldn't let me). A lot of hours after the the 40 part was recording and producing videos and what not and doing those radiant quests which as you mentioned was boring.

@onowrouzi Yeah I totally agree. Thank goodness that paid modding was removed. Without thinking about the business part of the game, people create amazing new content that is fresh and unbound to the rules of money. Long live modding.

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but as a fallout game something feels as if it is lacking but i can't really place what that something is.

I think I've seen this opinion multiple times when people critique fallout 4. Honestly I don't think it's missing anything, but they added so many different features to it that it doesn't have that original fallout feel to it any more. Like graphical enhancements aside, we have a voiced character, build able areas, a ton of radiant quests, more in-depth crafting and a whole different system with levelling. We aren't used to this, back in fallout 3 and FNV sure I'd scavenge a bunch of of places, but would only loot weapons and armour would good weight/cap ratio and of course the feel vital supplies in crafting. Now it's like everything serves a purpose, which is great, but it's different. Top this off with a voiced character which sure adds some sense of immersion to the dialogue, but it takes away such a huge aspect of power of feeling/being the Courier or the resident of vault 101. The levelling system feels great with so many choices at any given time, but not having that large perk list we saw which would slowly dwindle down as we levelled and picked more up just takes the feeling of achievement away. Finally the epilogue, it's so weak in Fallout 4, What I loved in FNV was seeing how our decision impacted all the societies during/after the Battle at Hoover Dam and we just didn't get that here. Adding in all these cool features was great, some are essential additions, but some also took away a huge portion of what a lot of people knew and loved in the predecessor Fallout games.

@maybenexttime - yeah that was pretty much the exact response I expected... I disagree with you, so clearly I must be picking at words or missed 'the big picture'. No, I think not. If anything, you seem to be the one who took my post personally.

Fallout 4 is a great example of a larger trend I've noticed in recent years - people that expect things to be exactly the way they want them to be. And when those things aren't, there's always this list of reasons. These people can't simply say 'I don't like the game' or 'I don't agree with the changes' - nope, if they don't like Fallout 4, its because Bethesda sold out/sucks/made the game for the "ADHD COD generation" (an argument I've actually seen, btw) instead of real Fallout fans. In the process, implying that people who like the game aren't 'real' fans.

That the arrogance of such things seems to be lost on the people who say them, staggers me.

Is Fallout 4 perfect? No, of course not (but then, what game is) and I have more than my share of complaints with it. Some companions feel underdeveloped, dialog is often repetitive ("Your thoughts?") despite the game having over 113,000 lines of it, and the 4-response limit annoys me. I'm also sick of hearing about the gunners, and I think the settlement feature is pretty terrible on anything besides perfectly flat ground. Don't get me started on the dismemberment system, which feels like an under-cooked prototype of Fallout 3's - its inferior in almost every regard. And FYI, I actually agree with several of the complaints you have.

And at no point did I say you were wrong in how you feel about the game, you're entitled to love FO4 or hate every pixel of it, just as I enjoy the game despite my complaints. Hell, I know a couple that consider it the best in the series. The horror, right?

While I appreciate that in-depth research you did on Steam, those reviews don't mean anything outside of individual opinion and represent nothing more than that. There are some places in the world I could go, put 100 people in a room and 80 of them might be HIV-positive. Does that mean 80% of the people in that country have HIV? No, it doesn't.

So if you think I'm attacking your right to your opinion or deliberately 'picking' at your words... I'm not the one missing the picture here. Do you think I should say that twice like you did?

Either way, I'm done with this discussion/topic. But don't let that stop you from replying and telling me how I'm way off-base and missing something, or picking at words/etc.

@tesvixen I'm reading what you wrote. You said a point in my post earlier annoys you. Hence why I took the liberty to explain and went into detail explaining why people use the reason "Fallout 4 isn't a Fallout game" excuse. I'm not reading too much into it right, because that is what you wrote. To me that sounded something personal on your side which is why you get annoyed. Hence why I said you're picking at some of the words I said and I explained why to which you may/may not agree with.

The Steam Review was added to say I'm one of the few people who dislike FO4 and I'm not the only one is or not crazy.

I hope the DLC gives content after the ending. Esp like Broken Steel. I'm curious at what happens to the Commonwealth post ending.

Tesvixen wrote:

I'm still really enjoying the game, personally.  Unlike most of the people posting here, I didn't like New Vegas - so I'm thankful Fallout 4 isn't anything like it.  If Fallout 4 had ended up being 'New Vegas HD' I doubt I would have played more than 3 or 4 hours of it.

@maybenexttime - in this day and age when games cost tens of millions of dollars (and sometimes even more than that) to make, any game developer with a brain is going to try and appeal to as many people as possible.  Its called 'we want to stay in business.'

And frankly the 'this game wasn't made for real Fallout fans' comments annoy me.  I'm a huge Fallout fan and I love Fallout 4.  There's no singular checklist of things that constitutes a 'real' Fallout fan.  Different people like different things.  

I'm a huge Fallout fan that loves having a speaking character and there are huge Fallout fans that prefer a silent protagonist... neither is right or wrong.  Preferences don't work that way.  

Hope i don't sound like a dick or anything but just speaking i have been waiting for Fallout 4 ever since i finished playing Fallout 3 in 2008, and with the lack of player freedom in F4 just annoys me and i am very disappointed with it, there is many other things i could list, but it would take me forever to list all of it.

Just watch this instead, may be 52 mins long but it is pretty much all i have to say.

Also just a side note, i love my voiced protagonist, it adds more fun to the game but then there are other things i am sad with.

In the past I played through both fallout 3 and NV a total of 2 times each, before getting burned out on them after the 2nd go.  Once as a male, 2nd time as a female and both times were unmodded, also on the console.  Though I'm playing fallout 4 on the pc, I have no doubt that I'll be burned out on it after the 2nd go through just like I did with previous titles, but for now I'm currently enjoying the hell out of the game, and even when I do get burned out meh big woop.  I still got skyrim to play, never did beat that game on PC (did on console, twice in fact).

So once I finish Fallout 4 I'ma do a final modded up play through on Skyrim where I do my best to do everything there is to do, just like I did with my final modded up New Vegas playthrough. Figure by the time I finish said final playthrough there will be some neat dlc to play along with some interesting mods.  See it took me a few months to do that NV one, so I figure it'll take about the same amount of time for Skyrim, so plenty of time for good things to pop up in terms of mods and such and plenty of time for the 'burn out' feeling I'll have to pass.  Anyway, is it weird that I have this planned out?

Oh I'd also be willing to bet that the there will indeed be dlc that continues the main game past the ending just like Broken Steel did in FO3. I mean I don't know about you guys, but something felt off to me about the original endings, like even though it was over it wasn't really over. Like something else was coming, know what I mean?

I have to agree with DVAted. I know I have complained quite some about the game. It has certainly has it's shortcomings in some areas. But I feel and has made good progress in others. I am more so bored because it seems there aren't many interesting places to find. Mostly because i've been burnt out on the rather bland and basic buildings so far. Dunwhich Borers was cool though, that was a real treat for people familiar with Dunwhich.

I'm still playing, but I'm finding myself spending more time looking at and for mods then actually playing the game.

I wouldn't say i'm burning out, but i do wish there were more side quests to do. I don't feel as though there was enough whacky or goofy things to see as of yet. there certainly are some good examples, but i hope they do more with the dlc.

That being said, i think i'm going to completely eliminate fast traveling in order to see the smaller aspects of the game and not focus so much on travel points and primary locations. Time to start searching for the rest of the magazines and secondary locations!

I'm starting to slow down a bit. I would love to keep playing but the leveling up system is really, really...dumb. I hate how you have to be a certain level to get a perk:/. I understand that the whole point of doing this is that you don't automatically become OP at the start but waiting to be level 40+ to have the perks you want just feels really grind-y.

That and I've recently purchased MGSV: TPP. It's cutting into my study time for finals :p

MrObamatron wrote:

I'm starting to slow down a bit. I would love to keep playing but the leveling up system is really, really...dumb. I hate how you have to be a certain level to get a perk:/. I understand that the whole point of doing this is that you don't automatically become OP at the start but waiting to be level 40+ to have the perks you want just feels really grind-y.

That and I've recently purchased MGSV: TPP. It's cutting into my study time for finals :p

About the studying for finals, yeah this game had impacted me in the same way haha. It's just too good!

Yeah I played the game 4 days straight, then after that It kind of fizzled out, I think i'm too used to playing with lots of mods

Once i beat the game the second and did the radiant quests i started to feel bored with the game
but like Aussieshepard said mods will revive the game for people

It just doesn't have the same feel as the games set in the west which i liked a lot more

Done a single playthrough but was able to see 4 endings (is it just at my end or are all the end game movies the same for all endings?) I'm now just basically exploring every nook & cranny while doing any encountered variant quests along the way to get a good save in prep for GECK'ed mods. Game's still fun but I am a bit burned out. Still playing a bit of Skyrim & FNV in between though & planning to play MGS TPP & Witcher 3 after year's end. Gave up on Mad Max.

Completed playthrough, replay value = 0 for me. Good game, bad Fallout game. I have little to no interest in playing it all further... I may not even buy the DLC... Fallout is cursed, and Fallout 4 is Tactics all over again.

@Roy Batty I expect great things from your team... Tales of three wastelands

Yeah,im starting to get bored with it because I have nothing to do except sleep with Paladin Danse and so some other stuff but still game aint that boring for me,I so cant wait to get em!Also cant wait for the mods and all the meshes I could get my hands on so I could start doing some custom armors for myself.

I was honestly starting to. And felt pretty disappointed when comparing the experience with 4 to those I had with New vegas, and even 3, in terms of immersion and overall interest in the world and story. I enjoy fallout 4, but I started to prioritize the modding rather than the game as it is and enjoying that. I think the main thing that was/ and still kinda is, keeping me from enjoying it to its full potential are the performance issues. Now that most of those issues are fixed with the patch (that awful stuttering), I can enjoy the game a lot more and have actually been getting back into the story a lot more. The game is great overall, but I'm more excited about its future with modding.