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qanakin
Posts : 217 Join date : 2015-07-04 Age : 26 Location : New York
| Subject: Independent Vegas better or not? Mon Jul 20, 2015 10:26 pm | |
| Do you guys think that an Independent Vegas would be best or should vegas be lead by one of the major factions in the game? _________________ "If you cannot do great things, do small things in a great way."
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BillyJohn
Posts : 187 Join date : 2015-07-06 Age : 27 Location : UK
| Subject: Re: Independent Vegas better or not? Mon Jul 20, 2015 10:40 pm | |
| I think it really depends on your character's motives really. Independent Vegas is kind of up to your own imagination as for what happens afterwards. |
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CrimsonPhoenix7
Posts : 132 Join date : 2014-09-01 Age : 35 Location : USA
| Subject: Re: Independent Vegas better or not? Mon Jul 20, 2015 11:02 pm | |
| What @BillyJohn said. The Independent Vegas play-through to me depends heavily on which ancillary factions you side with. You can't just cut out House, NCR, and Legion - because then you've got nothing to keep all the rival gangs and groups in check. But if you keep the Brotherhood around and build a strong rep with each of the major local groups (Boomers, Novac, Goodsprings, etc.) then you have a bit of a deterrent to any would-be aggressor :-) _________________ |
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GUARDian
Posts : 518 Join date : 2015-07-06 Age : 26 Location : Austin, Texas
| Subject: Re: Independent Vegas better or not? Mon Jul 20, 2015 11:16 pm | |
| It all depends on how the Courier rules it. I suppose you could become a tyrant and militarize every town in the Mojave and create industrial factories all over Vegas defended by an army of lobomites and securitrons loyal only to the Courier.
Oh wait... there's a mod for that: http://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/55773/? |
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ZeroParticle
Posts : 60 Join date : 2015-01-02
| Subject: Re: Independent Vegas better or not? Mon Jul 20, 2015 11:39 pm | |
| The way I see it, assuming you completed all 4 DLCs with the best ending possible, an independent New Vegas will continue for several decades, amassing strength rapidly thanks to Courier's connection to the Big MT and various other factions.
Eventually though, I see NV as being annexed by NCR simply due to the sheer scale and aggressive expansion of the later. That said, it is possible that by then, NV will have enough clout to operate as a semi-independent city state under the NCR flag - technically part of the NCR but doing its own things. |
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huntman75
Posts : 57 Join date : 2015-07-07 Age : 30 Location : Georgia, United States
| Subject: Re: Independent Vegas better or not? Tue Jul 21, 2015 6:05 am | |
| An independent Vegas is like any real nation at birth. It is chaotic at first trying to establish its own law and order but it will eventually begin to function efficiently. One must know the Mojave would be inherently different without NCR patrolling the roads and maintaining law and order. _________________ 2/121st Light-foot KCCO! |
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Gyrard
Posts : 143 Join date : 2015-05-15 Age : 29 Location : California
| Subject: Re: Independent Vegas better or not? Tue Jul 21, 2015 6:52 am | |
| When have the NCR ever maintained law and order in the Mojave? They spread themselves too thinly and used elementary-grade tactics that got them destroyed by the Legion at almost every turn, and left them wide open for a coup d'etat by the Courier and/or House. The Legion could move freely through the Mojave and destroy settlements and ranger stations with virtual impunity.
The NCR has been going steadily downhill since Tandi died, and they're now being lead by a mixture of idiots, glory hounds, and brahmin barons. They're too incompetent to properly hold the dam, let alone the Mojave.
Even if the Courier hands them Vegas on a silver platter, they would squander the good fortune and screw it up due to their leadership caste being of a lesser intelligence than their foot soldiers. _________________ "They asked me how well I understood theoretical physics. I said I had a theoretical degree in physics. They said welcome aboard."
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blaze1514
Posts : 68 Join date : 2015-06-16
| Subject: Re: Independent Vegas better or not? Tue Jul 21, 2015 8:21 am | |
| - Gyrard wrote:
- When have the NCR ever maintained law and order in the Mojave? They spread themselves too thinly and used elementary-grade tactics that got them destroyed by the Legion at almost every turn, and left them wide open for a coup d'etat by the Courier and/or House. The Legion could move freely through the Mojave and destroy settlements and ranger stations with virtual impunity.
The NCR has been going steadily downhill since Tandi died, and they're now being lead by a mixture of idiots, glory hounds, and brahmin barons. They're too incompetent to properly hold the dam, let alone the Mojave.
Even if the Courier hands them Vegas on a silver platter, they would squander the good fortune and screw it up due to their leadership caste being of a lesser intelligence than their foot soldiers. Most of this (if I remember correctly) happened only because one of the writers hates modern day democracies, so the NCR's incompetence and ineffectiveness are due to the writing reflecting the writers beliefs. There are plenty of ways that the NCR could have (and probably would have) been better if this wasn't the case. Now with that said, here is my opinion on the NCRs current state in cannon. Its probably more or less doomed. If the same group ever get their hands on the game again that is. I would say that the NCR will have some sort of civil war, probably with the Van Graphs at the tip. Resulting in a less aggressive and better ran NCR. There will probably be some land loss and new states forming as well. As for the original post.... -My favorite ending is the House ending. It seems to be what is better for all of mankind. He has a plan to bring mankind back to its former glory. The end justifies the means to me. -I think that the Independent is fun to think about... since there are so many possibilities. It is probably the best thing to do for the settlements in the Mohave as well. -However the NCR ending is the best if you care more about the NCR than you do Vegas itself. (Think joining the US Army over your State Guardsmen, based only on the fact that one is Federal and the other is Local) -Legion... well this one isn't ever worth it... chalk that up to poor writing though. If the legion was slightly less heartless (crosses, burning civilian towns, etc...) then it might have been an interesting and actually valid choice in this topic.... Since real Rome was the leading in the world for academics and science... and Caesar keeps them as dumb as tribals.... So much potential in that faction, wasted. _________________ |
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djadamson
Posts : 340 Join date : 2015-03-27 Location : United Kingdom
| Subject: Re: Independent Vegas better or not? Tue Jul 21, 2015 12:51 pm | |
| I think an independent new vegas could be good, each town could form a small militia to protect themselves, like goodsprings did, and keep away any raiders or bandits. The westside militia could protect the area around the strip and if they expanded they could protect other areas as well. Also if the courier has keep the brotherhood of steel around then he/she could recruit them to deal with any major threats in the Mojave, such as deathclaws or hostile super mutants. |
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redtyu
Posts : 37 Join date : 2014-08-07 Age : 24 Location : Greece
| Subject: Re: Independent Vegas better or not? Tue Jul 21, 2015 12:53 pm | |
| I think an independent vegas would be better since there are no stable goverments.Every one should watch their backs by themselves _________________ You should consider big problems as personal problems
Ernesto Cheguevara
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Suddenly Psychotic
Posts : 206 Join date : 2015-02-21 Age : 26 Location : Bosnia and Herzegovina
| Subject: Re: Independent Vegas better or not? Tue Jul 21, 2015 1:07 pm | |
| Not really.Independent vegas falls apart.Quite chaotic.Fort can't really do anything now due to being overrun. People are struggling even more. As GUARDian said.It really depends how would Courier rule Mojave. Courier is smart.But not as smart as Mr.House.Let him rule and humanity will finally rise. _________________ - Spoiler:
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BillyJohn
Posts : 187 Join date : 2015-07-06 Age : 27 Location : UK
| Subject: Re: Independent Vegas better or not? Tue Jul 21, 2015 4:01 pm | |
| - Suddenly Psychotic wrote:
- Not really.Independent vegas falls apart.Quite chaotic.Fort can't really do anything now due to being overrun.
People are struggling even more. As GUARDian said.It really depends how would Courier rule Mojave. Courier is smart.But not as smart as Mr.House.Let him rule and humanity will finally rise. That only happens if you don't do everything first. For Independant Vegas to work best you gotta put the work in and do all the quests, in the best way as well. When I finally finished my first playthrough of Independent I had a really good ending. It all depends on the player's choices and actions. |
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BillyJohn
Posts : 187 Join date : 2015-07-06 Age : 27 Location : UK
| Subject: Re: Independent Vegas better or not? Tue Jul 21, 2015 4:03 pm | |
| - djadamson wrote:
- I think an independent new vegas could be good, each town could form a small militia to protect themselves, like goodsprings did, and keep away any raiders or bandits. The westside militia could protect the area around the strip and if they expanded they could protect other areas as well.
Also if the courier has keep the brotherhood of steel around then he/she could recruit them to deal with any major threats in the Mojave, such as deathclaws or hostile super mutants. You're forgetting the extremely large army of securitrons the courier now has at his disposal. Like House said, the securitrons could deal with anyone. |
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CrimsonPhoenix7
Posts : 132 Join date : 2014-09-01 Age : 35 Location : USA
| Subject: Re: Independent Vegas better or not? Wed Jul 22, 2015 4:31 am | |
| @BillyJohnAnyone without Pulse grenades, Pulse Guns, or other forms of EMPs :-) _________________ |
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gunsmoke8
Posts : 328 Join date : 2015-06-14 Age : 33 Location : New York City
| Subject: Re: Independent Vegas better or not? Wed Jul 22, 2015 7:42 am | |
| - qanakin wrote:
- Do you guys think that an Independent Vegas would be best or should vegas be lead by one of the major factions in the game?
When I first ran through New Vegas, I chose the path of Independant Vegas thinking it would be better for all and that oppressive rule over the area would be removed...I was wrong big time..Choose wisely lol _________________ "Fear is the true opiate of combat." |
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XGN Fallen Hero
Posts : 7 Join date : 2015-07-22
| Subject: Re: Independent Vegas better or not? Wed Jul 22, 2015 9:59 am | |
| Every run through I sided with NCR or Mr house, I felt that they would be more suited for running New Vegas/The Mojave, Plus the legion was too savage and male bias for my tastes (Especially their remarks on female PC characters.) |
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lloganl12
Posts : 103 Join date : 2015-06-08 Age : 26 Location : USA
| Subject: Re: Independent Vegas better or not? Wed Jul 22, 2015 12:42 pm | |
| I think independent vegas is best. House just wants control over the region for himself, the NCR just wants Hoover Dam and the Legion are well you know the Legion. Independent Vegas also gives your character the power of ruling the Mojave which is nice. |
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MickUp
Posts : 165 Join date : 2015-06-08 Age : 27 Location : Orlandia-SP a little little place in the earth
| Subject: Re: Independent Vegas better or not? Wed Jul 22, 2015 2:02 pm | |
| I like one independent Vegas because is better because no high prices on taxes , no slavery because of Caesar's legion and no securit robots in Vega's streets _________________ And Mick....... Mick never changes Tell your gaming history your first console your first game Talk to Mick in here - Games of the old times Mick's topic :
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BillyJohn
Posts : 187 Join date : 2015-07-06 Age : 27 Location : UK
| Subject: Re: Independent Vegas better or not? Wed Jul 22, 2015 2:13 pm | |
| - MickUp wrote:
- I like one independent Vegas because is better because no high prices on taxes , no slavery because of Caesar's legion and no securit robots in Vega's streets
I'm pretty sure the robots are still there otherwise it would be anarchy, unless you want that... |
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MickUp
Posts : 165 Join date : 2015-06-08 Age : 27 Location : Orlandia-SP a little little place in the earth
| Subject: Re: Independent Vegas better or not? Wed Jul 22, 2015 2:15 pm | |
| - BillyJohn wrote:
- MickUp wrote:
- I like one independent Vegas because is better because no high prices on taxes , no slavery because of Caesar's legion and no securit robots in Vega's streets
I'm pretty sure the robots are still there otherwise it would be anarchy, unless you want that... Anarchy in Fallout it's natural friend _________________ And Mick....... Mick never changes Tell your gaming history your first console your first game Talk to Mick in here - Games of the old times Mick's topic :
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