What do you think would of happened if Joshua was still in Caesar's legion after the loss of the first battle of hoover dam?

The Legion would be a lot harder and scarier than it already is, Lanius is tough sure, but Graham was so tough Caesar banned even speaking about him.

Well once you battle the legion you would die instantly because we all know Joshua is to badass to die

Exactly, what makes it worse is that I don't think you could talk him down, the only reason you could before was through religion and whatnot, but he didn't discover that until after he was cast down the canyon.

He would kill you by looking at you and the wasteland would be full of slaves.

The legion would be a force to be reckoned with, and as another said there would be NO talking down the Malpais Legate

I also feel the legion would have a larger presence on the west side of lake mead or no presence at all.

Larger presence to take as much land as possible

Or no presence to have a full on ambush and a massive attempt to slaughter the troops at the Dam

Well said, the Legion would easily take over the Mojave with Graham still in his power. I do wonder how it would turn out post game, since Lanius was about war and pillaging while Graham was about power and actually listening to Caesar

Yeah I think Joshua would just demolish his enemies with ease.

wow ya the game would definitely be very different with Joshua as legate. but then honest hearts would be wierd without him (aka the first time you talk to him and he is cleaning the .45 acp pistol.)

I feel that the Legion would have remained the same simply because Joshua Graham only became who he was in Zion because he was burned alive in failure. It was then that he realized "the fire burning" within him. Had he remained a Legate I believe fury of his failure would have consumed him and the dam would become his obsession much like Caesar and Legate Lanius. Not to mention he failed to beat the NCR the first time....

I'm a Ncr fan but if Joshua was still Legate. I'm not so sure there would be a Ncr

The only thing I think would change, is that the Legion would have a better commander in case of Caesars death.

Everyone keeps saying that the Legion would be more dangerous with Joshua but lets not forget that he lost big time to the NCR. His badassery as you know him now is because he went through all that hardship for his failure. If he remained in the Legion i imagine he would probably have been killed in a battle with the NCR, assuming the Courier didn't get involved.

The reason he failed was because the NCR had to do a big scacrifice, it's like breaking your arm to punch a guy and knock him out, if Caesar hadn't decided to punish him, Graham would of gotten back up and tried even harder to prove himself, it's because Caesar didn't let him prove himself to him that he did it to himself.

Yeah I think Joshua would of been so commited in taking over the dam that he'll an unstoppable force.

The Legion would demolish anyone who got in their way. Joshua creates earthquakes wherever he sneezes and hurricanes whenever he blinks. He would only have to glance at the entire NCR army to instantly erase every atom in their bodies, and probably every person on earth. The only being in the entire cosmos that could beat him is the Governator, Arnold Schwarzenegger (or Bruce Lee).

So is Graham the Fallout Chuck Norris?:b

AMOneEighty wrote:

So is Graham the Fallout Chuck Norris?:b

No the chuck norris of fallout is you know who it is john- i mean the mysterious stranger

Honestly? I would think there would be some serious authority issues in the Legion if he let Graham go unpunished for his horrible failure that was the first hoover dam battle. He had to be made an example of, showing that everyone is susceptible to Caesar's punishment. If he didn't, they may have questioned Caesar's ability to make decisions and his strength to lead if he was merciful to his friend.

Maybe, maybe not. That's what I think, at least.

Yeah but some people still questioned Caesar's leadership. One of them was cilus.