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Judge Redd
Posts : 934 Join date : 2014-03-12 Age : 31 Location : Ireland
| Subject: Do they Deserve to die? Tue Apr 28, 2015 11:52 pm | |
| Okay, so this has always bothered me in Fallout NV, and to a lesser degree Fallout 3. Heres the meaning behind this topic: Autumn, Benny, Ulysses, and Eulogy Jone are just some of the examples of people we want to kill in these two games. But see with the exception of Eulogy Jones, I never did kill Benny or Ulysses (Autumn I killed a few times for his gun) because I didnt see a point. (Prepare for a long explanation as to why I never killed some of the more annoying or dickish characters. And why I always kill certain characters. - Benny:
Benny is a dick, self obsessed and manipulative sure...but he's also an idiot. Mind you a sly idiot. He's not a complete fucking moron, but he is still stupid enough to get himself caught by the legion and used as a bargianing tool (even if this wasnt his fault entirely). I dont know what annoyed me more, the fact he got the better of me twice, or the fact that in the end, at the fort, he doesnt even seem worth it anymore. I mean, if I shoot him in the head, its ironic yes? Its justified, yeah. But its just not as much fun as it would have been if he was this mastermind wise guy i had built up in my head.
- Ulysses:
Ulysses actually had a similar effect on me, except I found myself siding with the Mad Man. Blowing up both sides, would have ended the war ya know? I mean Watchmen style, create an enemy neither side can stand to alone. That being said, I also just prefered fighting side by side with him in the silo against hundreds of marked men. Only disappointment was that it seemed a tad anti-climactic.
- Autumn:
Autumn is a wild card in my playthroughs, I hate him for what he did to dad, but I also realise he was just under orders or following the example of a higher authority(Eden). Much like you are following your Father, or Lyons. In a way there is a good parallel between you and Autumn, if he wasnt such an asshole most the time I would say he would have survived half my playthroughs. But is he any different than that of Sara? Following orders to the letter without concern for any outside influence. I mean she isnt exactly welcoming to you in the start, and only shows interest when you are proven to be able to survive near impossible obstacles. Because you show use. Now thats just my opinion. But Ce La Ve. I am saying bench him(Autumn) and consider, is this what dad would want? Or is Autumn even worth a bullet? Sometimes yes. Sometimes no.
- Eulogy Jones:
Eulogy Jones is just a Dickhead Slaver, he uses people to his liking and then throws them aways(Clover). And he clearly has no morals or desire to help the wasteland. He is only out for Number 1. Say what you want about the legion, but at least they bring some positives to the areas they take over. I wouldnt be surprised if before I come along, the slavers are planning a take over just because Eulogy seems to do nothing but give orders, and have sex. He brings nothing to the wastes of any benifit. So burn the fucker to a crisp.
- Caesar:
Caesar is a dick sure, but his work does gain a lot of positive results. Look I am not saying he lives through my playthroughs, but he certainly isnt the asshole people put him off to be. I mean he is still a huge asshole, but so is house and Kimbell when ya think about it.He does bring order, at least by intimidation, to any land he takes over and makes the land safe for traders to freely pass through. So, yeah he doesnt live, but I can see why people would side with him. He does look out for the little guy.
- Sticky:
Fuck.This.Guy
I would state other characters I find people kill just because they are ....supposed dicks or because they are bad people unjustifiably or because they should be killed. But sometimes you just gotta ask, is the guy worth the caps it would take after hes dead to get healed and ammo? So what do you guys think? Is there anyone you think gets too much hate, or you let survive despite all others saying he should die. Or someone others let survive because of one reason that you dont agree with and just want to kill them for the Lolz? |
| | | GenericRifleman
Posts : 523 Join date : 2014-11-23 Age : 25 Location : Arizona
| Subject: Re: Do they Deserve to die? Wed Apr 29, 2015 12:12 am | |
| Fun Fact: Colonel Autumn? He disagreed with Eden's plans to wipe out the wasteland. Yes he was following orders but he disobeyed multiple times. IE ordering the Enclave to kill you. If you look closer, he did that because he didn't want to risk you, the player, inputting the FEV into the Project Purity device and kill everyone.
Autumn was born and raised as an Enclave Citizen. He only knows the Enclave way, and the fact he deferred from that ever so slightly spared him in my later playthroughs. Later ones. When I found all that out.
Before that I mercilessly slaughtered him. lol.
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| | | Judge Redd
Posts : 934 Join date : 2014-03-12 Age : 31 Location : Ireland
| Subject: Re: Do they Deserve to die? Wed Apr 29, 2015 12:27 am | |
| Well then there is another reason not to kill him, but kill him if ya like after all. Its your playthrough |
| | | fhatton7
Posts : 144 Join date : 2015-04-24
| Subject: Re: Do they Deserve to die? Wed Apr 29, 2015 12:33 am | |
| The only two I always end up offing is Benny and Autumn. Benny for a simple reason, he shot me in the head.. If it wasn't for Victor or Doc Mitchell the courier would have been dead, plain and simple. So of course, its reasonable to want to take Benny out. I always plaster the fink's brains all over his private suite bar when I catch him off guard at the Tops. Colonel Autumn, even you learn he disagrees with Eden's "final solution", is the reason your father is dead. Autumn even had a Project Purity scientist executed in cold blood for no reason. He's a waste that needs to be eradicated every time I play. |
| | | killzonefallout
Posts : 31 Join date : 2015-04-01 Age : 24
| Subject: Re: Do they Deserve to die? Wed Apr 29, 2015 2:40 am | |
| Ok then I have to ask. what do you guys do with chief hanlon? I mean I like him he knows the war will not end and try to help toughen the ncr even after general Oliver disrespect the Rangers and hates that they got credit. also he understands the ncr problem...the strip sucks up money...house...the ridiculous orders just because Oliver is angry that they got credit. but why does he even try to help the ncr rather than organize the Rangers for a reunite of the desert rangers? I mean the agreement on the plaque was for ncr protection of southern Nevada, new vegas and hoover dam from the legion and based on Nipton, cottonwood cove they failed that. I let him live just because of being a desert ranger. Now also do you kill house? he is a weird Character...you lose karma for killing him is he good? I'm sure this question is asked alot but is there an answer? What about the khans? I mean yeah they're tough and have a sad story but they are savages and are dirty. they do nothing helpful to the Wasteland...even I like the real mongols but they are not them. so I kill great khans yes but just because they are useless and unhelpful. |
| | | Judge Redd
Posts : 934 Join date : 2014-03-12 Age : 31 Location : Ireland
| Subject: Re: Do they Deserve to die? Wed Apr 29, 2015 6:47 am | |
| House I always kill, sometimes for shits and giggles, other times because hes a dick |
| | | vandenburger
Posts : 427 Join date : 2015-01-18 Age : 42 Location : Wales, UK
Character sheet Name: Character Faction: Level:
| Subject: Re: Do they Deserve to die? Wed Apr 29, 2015 8:20 am | |
| House = dead! grade A deuche nossle Autumn = I dont like to kill him just because he's enclave but he did kill me pappy Ceasar = Well now like stated above he's kind of a murdering psycho but in this time of harshness dictatorship is sometimes a needed evil. Ulysses = Well I kinda love to hate the guy but he does have a point. so I flutter between killing and not killing depending on playthrough and mood Benny = Well he shot me in my thinky place. had it been a shot to the happy place it would most definately be death but sometimes I let him go just to see him axed by the legion later on Eulogy = Yes he's a slaver and yes he's bad but he does have a nice pad and a comical outfit. |
| | | Guest Guest
| Subject: Re: Do they Deserve to die? Wed Apr 29, 2015 10:58 am | |
| Benny: He shot me in the head and had me buried alive... Dead.
Ulysses: I let him live most of the time because he didn't really do anything wrong to me, and like Vandeburger, it depends on my mood.
Autumn: I'm not sure about this guy, sometimes I want to kill him and other times I don't. He doesn't like Eden that much and definitely doesn't like his plan about the wastes, but he still killed innocents to get what he wanted. Imho, he's the lesser of two evils, but that doesn't make him a good guy, so he usually dies but sometimes is spared.
Eulogy Jones: I don't usually play as a slaver type char, so he usually doesn't survive in my play through.
Caesar: I don't usually let this guy live, I don't agree with his ideals for the most part and he's arrogant. But I do like that the Legion takes care of threats like raiders without hesitation, but that's about the only thing I like about their system.
Sticky: Annoying, so he rarely makes it out of Lamplight. |
| | | MartinFinnegan
Posts : 142 Join date : 2014-09-07 Age : 38 Location : Rapture
| Subject: Re: Do they Deserve to die? Wed Apr 29, 2015 11:09 am | |
| Benny - killed him, for courier, Chance and Singer. Some cats may have a smooth moves and i got a shotgun, guess who won. Ulysses - killed him cause crazy preachers and nukes don't go well togerther. Autumn - haven't got there yet in Fallout 3. Eulogy - he's alive, he sold me Clover, he's got nice outfit, nice pad, nice quotes, well pretty much everything about this guy is nice. If you're into bad carma and slavery in Fallout 3. Caesar - killed him. Cause nobody likes lyers mr. Edward S(h)allow Sticky - spared him, via coin toss. Mayor MacCready/Princess/ - tried to kill them, failed, installed a right mod, killed them.
_________________ "And the Iceman cometh Sander baby. The Iceman f%#&ing cometh..." |
| | | VATROU
Posts : 147 Join date : 2015-04-12
| Subject: Re: Do they Deserve to die? Wed Apr 29, 2015 12:24 pm | |
| House - It depends on the goals of my character. But I generally like the guy and think his plan best suits Vegas.
Autumn - I never knew you could spare him.. So oh well. Either way I would have killed Dad myself, he's a jerk making you leave the safety of the Vault and placing you in numerous life or death situations.
Ceasar - I understand his actions. Yes they're cruel and morally gray if not bordering on black. But in the long run civilization would be restored hundreds if not thousands of years sooner if he built a lasting empire. - But and here's the thing most of my characters think he's utterly evil. So yeah I've killed him multiple times.
Ulysses - I don't have a reason to really kill him. Sure he's going to nuke both the NCR and Legion. But they're both jerkwads, plus I really want those armors for my collection.
Benny - Benny. He's all about revenge for me. Some of my characters will give him the Black Widow death. Others a fully loaded 12 gauge.
Eulogy - I just want his suit.. Otherwise I don't really care.
General Oliver - Him I just like to watch my Securitrons toss him over the Dam. Because reasons. _________________ Check out my Fallout Alaska Fan Lore Master Thread 2, pop in, leave a suggestion, or simply comment. Why is it called a Master Thread? Well because it's where all my updates will go first. Like Fallout Fan Fiction!? Check out Explorers of the New World Updated regularly. It's about Alaska and the Wackiness that ensues therein. |
| | | BlackZeroVB
Posts : 77 Join date : 2015-04-15 Age : 36 Location : Virginia, United States
| Subject: Re: Do they Deserve to die? Wed Apr 29, 2015 12:34 pm | |
| Benny: Kill for his gun and suit.
Ulysses: Let him live
Autumn: Sometimes kill him for his outfit and gun (I collect uniques)
Eulogy: Kill him for that bad ass suit after I've recruited Clover.
Caesar: Kill him for his armor and because he is a douche. He may bring order, but he brings it through slavery, torture, and bullying.
Sticky: I usually listen to music while playing with low game volume, so this guy really didn't bug me that much. I can see why people would want to though.
Roy Phillips: I sympathized with the ghouls, went through the trouble of running all the bigots out of Tenpenny Tower, got everyone to go along with letting the ghouls live there, and left feeling like I did my good deed for the week. Come backs, turns out he killed everyone anyway (including Herbert Dashwood. Since then, I kill him and Three Dog can kiss my ass.
Herbert & Bob: I feel for the guy, so I perform a mercy killing. Having the Capital Wasteland covered in vegetation may be nice, but it's probably not the good kind of vegetation if it was made with Chemical X
Tenpenny: It's just a playthrough tradition for me. The guy just sits there, begging to be sent flying off the top of the building with copious amounts of explosives. What do you expect me to do?
Moriarty: I like having Gob run the bar better
That's all I can remember off the top of my head. |
| | | Emperor Slyther
Posts : 621 Join date : 2014-02-25 Age : 33 Location : New Avalon, SK (Mars)
Character sheet Name: Red Queen Amaryllis Faction: Shadow Inquisition Level: Immortal
| Subject: Re: Do they Deserve to die? Wed Apr 29, 2015 1:56 pm | |
| I'll categorize it for each game... - Fallout New Vegas:
Benny: Yehp. He's the typical city boy, thinks he's a mobster, wants to kill Mr. House and take over vegas, greed is his character from what I know. Had a few khans with him from the beginning but I don't really blame the khans for what they did. They were just,,, paid off to do it. So I let them off the hook, considering negotiations were better than I expected. So yes, I dispatch Benny every time and every opportunity I get...
Ulysses: Former member under the banner of Caesar's Legion, but like me, have only one interest to wipe out both NCR and the Legion. Reasons as to why, he just doesn't deserve my hatred enough to kill, I like his demeanor, he's cool. So I let him live... Through a small share of diplomacy...
Mr. House: Used to not give a shit, kill him and take New Vegas for myself, but reasons here have opened my ear and decided to hear them out after all. I don't necessarily approve of machines being in governance of human beings or any other race, but the mind controlling them is still the brain of a human... Over 200 years old, that's impressive for being cryogenically frozen and being able to operate the machines through his collective subconsciousness. Though his life took it's toll seeing that he wasn't fully frozen. Used to kill him alot, but I thought "Meh... I'll let him live...".
Caesar: Obvious enough, another coup de grace ruler of the old barbaric ways. So he leads roughly 70 or 80 tribes? I don't remember. All follows up to history describing the story of the rise and fall of the Roman Empire. I could imagine just how women aren't allowed to serve the legion and the only one who did as far as I know is the courier with a female gender, if she so chooses. Needless to say, I don't give a goat's last fuck about him or his little guild of red skirts, so I dispatch him both for a personal vengeance and for the sheer hell of it...
General Oliver: I second whoever says let the Securitrons throw him off the dam. Though I think a parody of the sparta kick into the pit of death from 300 would be even more entertaining for my barrel of laughs. Only with mods, I let not a Securiton but one of my characters to do it.
Chief Hanlon: Don't give a fuck about him enough, even if he might be like Colonel Hsu or not, he's still an NCR thug in my eyes. Especially when I'm killing off NCR troops whenever I see them, and I have but no choice but to kill this guy, since he would likely shoot at me as well if he gets the chance. Which I don't allow him as such...
Colonel Hsu: Sure, he may handle the Freeside situation better than Colonel Moore, but I'm afraid reasons are as stated as Hanlon. If at a crossfire with NCR and usually with the Legion as well, he will surely shoot, and I won't hesitate to bring him down. I know he doesn't want to do this, but he's a lapdog to his faction. I don't know about being a slave to his people since he wanted to represent NCR in a more peaceful and non-violent example, but orders are orders. If he shoots, I shoot. That simple. NCR is essentially corrupt, no matter the good of their lower leadership or not.
Colonel Moore: She's always been good at making more enemies than making friends. Obviously I am more than convinced to immediately dispatch her whenever I see her.
- Fallout 3:
Eulogy Jones: Sure. Nice pad, nice outfit, but he's a slaver. Obvious he is evil. Not much to say about him, don't care enough. Just shoot on sight, whether Clover is recruited or not.
Sticky: I don't know who the fuck that is, but I have a feeling I know just who... If it's the Fallout equivalent of the Adoring Fan from Oblivion, then yes. Fuck him double.
Colonel Autumn: Just another overproud patriot who thinks way over his game. Thus with mods, underestimated the size of my armies and the elite training of my troops. So John Henry Eden, their president wanted to carry out the annihilation process, and Autumn doesn't? Ha. I may take ex-Enclave members, but the Enclave is pretty much like our everyday governments. Needless to say, I treat all acting Enclave members as public enemy number one.
Moriarty: Reasons, reasons... Shit attitude, treats Gob like an asswipe, I second that as posted above.
Harkness: I, fucking, hate this guy. I know Rivet City is filled with potential assholes, but yeah whenever I want to enter Rivet City, I always scope this motherfucker with a sniper rifle or long ranged weapon. I prefer silenced so the heat can die down...
Jabsco(Or whatever his name was spelled): Leader of the Talon Company mercenary firm. So I decide -not- to nuke Megaton or do a good deed of whoever, his little pansies show up and try to act all cute with me saying "You can't do this, you can't do that or we attack" blah blah blah. If playing an evil character I would very much exact vengeance against the Regulators for doing this also, but I send them a message in return, raid Fort Bannister with an army, make an example of their leader...
That would be my take... _________________ "Some men just want to watch the world burn." -Alfred Pennyworth**Screenshot story-arcs on hiatus until further notice** |
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