I just wanted some opinions on the direction of the fallout series. Do you think that there is a chance to get a game more similar to new vegas or will Bethesda continue to dumb down the franchise?

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I switched up the question a bit... check lower in the feed

They sold a lot of F4 copies so my guess is they are gonna keep the same path.

Heres a better question... what would your ideal fallout be?

I'm old but I think when you said "dimb" you meant dumb and it was just a keystroke error...please understand I'm not poking fun...as this could literally be a word I'm not familiar with. Anyway, assuming that...how exactly is Fallout4 dumbed down? The mechanics and controls of the game are more intuitive than previous releases, there's more polish. However, the story, shallow, simple, linear, without consequence. But the game itself? Keeps so many coming back for what they've made of it...not because of what the game is made from. How many endings does FNV truly have? Who really plays a fallout game for YEARS because of the story? Granted I haven't played FNV past the tutorial...however there are so many who have described their experience in such explicit detail that I live vicariously through them. I watched "lore videos" to get the backstory of all the fallout because they interest me like a book does...but fallout 4? Oh kind sir, my game is anything but "lore friendly" I love what my commonwealth is...due in HUGE part to this community...where else can storm troopers face halo troopers face nazis face terminators face batman; armed with weapons from alien, robocop, the republic, battlefield, etc etc etc...my game that's where. I play for what I've made it...can't do that to the same degree in any other fallout or any other game. My sandbox my toys my rules...thank the mod gods and freed assets.

The next fallout? Will have another story, will have hopefully improved upon the shortcomings of the vanilla release (not that I would know, I am a firm believer that mods not only drastically IMPROVE the game but make the game even playable) and will allow for even more creative injection from the community that has literally kept bethesda in business. I don't care where they go...whether they revisit a location or a new one comes along...continental united states? Sure, some island? OK, Russia China Europe? I'm down for it...I don't care because if I don't like how it looks, chances are quite good someone else doesn't either and they will possess the voodoo magic powers to change it and make it awesome.

Ironically it would be funny to see the next game have a mod released that is named "return to the commonwealth" and it be a worldspace bringing us back to boston

@"OSOK" I fixed my keystroke error lol.

But when I said dumbing down, it was not meant to be derogatory. I still enjoy fallout 4 and think it is a good game but, it just doesn't have the same expansive rpg elements as new vegas or 1 and 2.
I merely meant to point out how fallout 4 seems to have been made for a much larger audience, losing the roots of the franchise.

I guess with fallout 4 I have trouble being as immersed into the commonwealth as I am the mojave. This is because in New Vegas I have the freedom to build myself however I want to be, forming my own back stories and playstyles. Btw this is coming from someone who has played around 1,000 hours of fallout 4. Fallout new vegas is a true rpg whereas, fallout 4 is a shooter with light rpg elements.

Not to answer my own question but, what I truly want is a fallout game that has the same gun play and feel as fallout 4 (as it is undeniably superior to fallout new vegas) but with the same level of rpg elements as new vegas. Something in which I can insert my own character into, with their own backstory and motivations without being handheld into a specific character motivation (parent looking for child).

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A "perfect" Fallout game would probably be something that has a world with a working economy. What I mean is you can visibly see trade between two or more settlements. Settlements built up based on its location and resources not just put there for reasons.

This and being able to interact with this world and see how it affects the lives of its denizens. An example would if you could see a towns quality of life decrease if you destroyed their crops because you removed their food and their main source of trade then see how it affects the next town that cannot produce food on their own.


We should have a branching story-line as well as create the background of our characters ala mount and blade. I feel that your characters background should have a major effect on how you interact with quests in the game instead of just stat buffs as it would make for a better role play experience.


Factions should also make sense in terms of how it is created based on a towns economy, culture and lifestyle.


For some reason, Fallout games removed the old inventory system from FO1,2 and tactics. I feel this should be reintroduced and maybe reworked to something similar to escape from tarkov, stalker or maybe pubg so that bags would make sense. A pipboy should always be a journal/map and not an inventory manager where it magically spawns your loot.

I would prefer if they added more damage types(cutting/piercing/blunt/electric/fire/laser/cold) as well as have different effects based on locational damage instead of a flat damage to your HP. For example you would get a bleed debuff if you get cutting/piercing damage on your arm which would lower your main HP and would get worse if get more cutting/piercing damage.

Armor should also give you protection against these types of damages and protect the body parts that it is covering.

Crafting should always be in a fallout game i feel. Fallout 4s settlement system could also work as long as it behaves like a working town

I would also like to share this thread if you are interested on other peoples thoughts on their ideal fallout game.

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In reality the large gaming corporation such as Bethesda cares not only how the players want the game to be, but also their sales. It wouldn't matter how the reputation is for Fallout 4 among other Fallout franchises if the sale number strike to a new high ground. Are they gonna keep going this "dumb" path? Yes, if their next Fallout game keep getting new record in term of sales. And next one, and the ones after.

If they're smart, they will let obsidian make new orleans or whatever, while they work on fallout 5 or TES 6. They received a lot of negative flak over 4, I'm sure they will want to win the trust of the old fans back. That is, if they care enough, and if Pete "I'm not going to talk about the lore in a game with talking mutants" Hines is of any indication, they will rather focus on the new fallout fans, aka bethesda gamers, to be more precise, more than anything else. Not that it matters, TTW is the ultimate fallout experience IMHO, and if the dev team really goes thru with F4-NV, why play anything else? I still have a modded/DLC playthru of F4 waiting for me, but honestly, the game was so lackluster that I would rather play TTW again

Most of Obsidian team that make NV already left the company, and Bethesda wont let other company make the game, they dont care of the old fans. They only see the results and they show a lot of sales that means they made a good product.
F4NV is gonna take a loooot of time, probablye the frontier would be already released by that time (he! yeah right).

Greedthesda will probably continue to dumb down the franchise for the sake of money. Wish they would just give Fallout rights to obsidian and focus on other stuff like elder scrolls and skyrim.

Duki_Nuki wrote:

Greedthesda will probably continue to dumb down the franchise for the sake of money. Wish they would just give Fallout rights to obsidian and focus on other stuff like elder scrolls and skyrim.

i think that's a tad unfair to be honest. Bethesda is one of the very few publishers left that still persist with releasing truly single player games. If they were really "greedy" they would have jumped on the Live services bandwagon already and infested their games with loot boxes and micro-transactions.
by all means criticize the mis-steps with Fallout 4 but they are still one of the few publishers not being complete fucking assholes these days.

yes it was business decisions that led to how they changed fallout, but when you look at what activision did with destiny, EA with battlefront, i think "Greedthesda" is a bit much

the dream is to se another NV style game, but i cant se it being done in the near future. Bethesda is most likely going to announce a new ip at E3 which means another Fallout will be a long way off. I just dont think they will outsource it again...

Havoc wrote:

the dream is to se another NV style game, but i cant se it being done in the near future. Bethesda is most likely going to announce a new ip at E3 which means another Fallout will be a long way off. I just dont think they will outsource it again...

Their E3 this year will be focused on Rage2. Its assumed then that its Elder Scrolls 6 next year. and next fallout will be 2021 at earliest i would say.
i think another outsource is possible, but i dont think there are any studios you could trust with the license, that would have a current gap in their dev cycle.
i think it was just the right circumstances at the right time that led to NV

All I want Bethesda to do is to let Obsidian to make a sequel of New Vegas, I think Bethesda just doesn't quite understand how to make a Fallout game. I'm grateful that they keep Fallout series alive but they seriously need to learn from Obsidian. Also, I don't think they will change anything since Fallout 4 sold many copies and big company like Bethesda only cares about sales.

I just want a new engine for it to run on

PLEASE BETHESDA
give us what we NEED

loneheart9 wrote:

I just want a new engine for it to run on

PLEASE BETHESDA
give us what we NEED

Bethesda always got a pass on their engines because people always believed that the issues with said engines were a consequence of a game of this size, complexity, and quests with multiple paths and moving parts.

then the Witcher 3 came along.
Now of course that game had its share of bugs, but compared to Fallout 4 , which came out a few months later, the difference was staggering.

so yeah the next Bethesda release won't be able to get away with a typical "Bethesda" engine.

i would expect ES6 next year so time will tell

845386958 wrote:

All I want Bethesda to do is to let Obsidian to make a sequel of New Vegas, I think Bethesda just doesn't quite understand how to make a Fallout game. I'm grateful that they keep Fallout series alive but they seriously need to learn from Obsidian. Also, I don't think they will change anything since Fallout 4 sold many copies and big company like Bethesda only cares about sales.

They are very good at making proof of concept games, it's the same situation that both Fallout 3 and 4 share. They feel empty and unfinished but the foundation is there. And I do think they are very good at creating a great setting.

To be honest, I enjoyed Fallout 3's apocalyptic theme more than NV western theme. Now, I love both and love NV's campaign much more but for the feeling I got playing them, the capital wasteland wins every time.

New Fallout needs to be a Battle Royale game or else it can't be good... In all seriousness If Bethesda were to hire some really good writers to focus solely on the story of the next fallout along with a really good setting with some of the good systems from fallout 4 like the weapon and armor customization and the settlement building (as long as they were expanded upon) Then the next fallout could prove to be a rival to Fallout New Vegas. And of course they'd need to fix the DLC, adding items to the workshop does not seem like a good replacement to what came before.

I just want to see a more pregnant wasteland, where even the subtlest action affects the world around me. I want to feel like who I am matters.

loneheart9 wrote:

I just want a new engine for it to run on

PLEASE BETHESDA
give us what we NEED

Here! Here! I am really tired of "limitations of the engine" excuses.