TheHermit wrote:

Corvo wrote:

And forgive me if I'm wrong but wasn't all those Witcher 3 DLC packs you listed free on Steam? Bethesda are selling these microtransactions at a price while CD Projekt Red is letting people download them for free, they're completely different.

I believe they were free, yes. However, and again, by definition (I still think people are misunderstanding my angle on this), they're still DLC, just Bethesda are adding microtransactions to theirs.

Corvo wrote:

this Creation Club would've actually been a benefit to the community if they had included Falskaar level mods that are on par,

It's early days yet. They may still have something of that size up their sleeve -- a lot of top profile modders were contacted or themselves requested Creation Club status. You may not have a problem purchasing something that size, but a lot of people will. Can't please everybody.

Corvo wrote:

Who would pay for a pipboy skin in a singleplayer game where NOBODY will see it besides the player?

Probably not PC players, but a lot of console player will. Just because we have the better sense not to, doesn't mean others won't be willing to pay for this content. Bethesda wouldn't have tried this if they wasn't market data to support it. It would be a waste of money.

Fallout 4 doesn't seem as popular to mod as Skyrim and older Fallout titles, so I'm not too worried. I still haven't completed Fallout 4. Whilst the graphics are an improvement and certain gameplay elements, it's been gutted out of a lot of the good stuff and simply not as enjoyable as previous titles.

As for the quest thing. They do not have a quest attached to them. They have "quest". The quest consists of "Go to X, clear vanilla location, loot your item". That's it. And some don't have even that, the backpack and shotgun just land in your inventory.

CDPR made and released free small DLCs as a gesture of good will. Bethesda is selling overpriced 3rd party made content that is inferior to free 3rd party content. Two armor mods will cost you as much as Hearts of Stone DLC, which adds about 15 hours of story-packed gameplay. If CC garbage was indeed a DLC, it would be included in the Season Pass, which claims to include all official addons.


What I really don't understand is some people defending CC because it's curated by Bethesda, and therefore it should be compatible, more stable and less buggy than mods. Curated by Bethesda. The same Bethesda who relies on amateur modders to fix their bugged games in the first place.

Here is a comment on one of Gopher's videos discussing the topic of Creation Club by Recluse, the author of various quest mods for Fallout 4 like Fusion City Rising and 50 Ways To Die at Nick's.

Recluse wrote:

Hey Gopher,

I'm Recluse, author of 50 Ways to Die at Dr. Nick's and co-author of Fusion City Rising and Outcasts & Remnants, all reasonably large Fallout 4 quest mods that were voted first or second place in File of the Month on Nexus.

I wanted to give you some additional info, if you're interested.

I applied to Creation Club shortly after the E3 announcement and included links to my body of work. Bethesda has yet to even respond to me in any way.

I certainly have no idea regarding their vetting process for applicants, however, the complete lack of response, along with the current list of available Creation Club content, suggests to me that they have little interest in the large project quest centered content that seems like the kind of stuff people might actually be interested in paying for.

I don't expect I have the kind of name recognition of modders like Trainwiz or Elianora, but I do have well over a million downloads on the Nexus, including three Fallout 4 quest mods that have received a good bit of attention from users.

I suspect the Creation Club business model is aimed mainly at PS4 players and will consist of sucking money out of console users a couple of dollars at a time using nickel and dime impulse buys like new armors, weapons, or other items, and maybe use some of their lower tier in-house modelers and texturers to crank the stuff out by the barrel full, while adding a few independent modders with name recognition to provide a veneer of modding credibility.

Anyway, that's my perspective so far, make of it what you will.
Regards,

Recluse

That pretty much sums it up in a nutshell. Bethesda are willing to sacrifice every bit of their reputation to sponge money off of the console players. It pretty much proves that Bethesda has the option of selling quest mods that people would unquestionably buy without complaint but instead choose to make their shitty system dedicated to armor mods and camo packs.

This is real life. Someone would buy it. Like those "pay to win" games. People would pay for anything.  You think it is stupid and costly. Others think is worthy and cheap.
But I concern the compatibility of CC's mods.  
I have installed over 200+ mods on my Fallout4 and Skyrim. I don't think you can run all of these mods without a single compatibility patch.
Not to mention those huge DLC sized mods.

I'm still trying to figure out why, if the content on the Creation Club is inferior to free mod content, why anybody is bothered about it being behind a paywall anyway. If it's sub par, move on. Ignore it. There are better free alternatives anyway. I think some folks are just looking for something new to complain about that doesn't affect them much.

@TheHermit

Because if the entire community ignores it nothing will improve. You can say the same about criticism of Beth games and their DLC. But this Creation Club cripples Bethesda's reputation more than anything since it's an obvious cash grab and it's not going to get any better if we ignore it.

If we just ignored Steam Workshop Paid mods, they would still be around. Same rule applies here.