Morning/Evening Gunners!

While I browse through my screenshots folder for my entry into the Assassin's Creed Contest I wanted to spark a discussion as to which of these two factions you all would choose and why.

I personally identify more with the FOTA simply b/c it seems to me as if they truly have the interests of the people at heart, while seeking nothing in return. If you've played through NV enough you'll see what I mean. The NCR, however aren't that bad when compared to the Legion, but when I look at how they handle things....I find myself at odds with their methods.

For instance, when handling the situation in Primm:

Do NOT read if you don't want to spoil the Primm Quests.:

And don't even get me started on the Great Kahn situation...

Anyway, I'd love to hear what everyone thinks...

Gimme details too  

Personally, I would combine the two, just imagine how better the Followers would be with NCR funding. They could easily extend their reach to all over the Mojave. This would also let the NCR develop and set up hospitals around their territories, not to mention how effective this would be in combat.

Had to go with the NCR. The Followers would have be wiped out if it was not for the NCR, especially as Modern Medicine is a big no no in the Legion. Also the NCR are the ones with the huge numbers, somewhat technological advantage, money, and land. Also everything the Followers are doing can be done or is all ready being done by the NCR.

I think they both benefit eachother, but, if forced to choose, I'd pick FOTA, as that also helps the NCR.

The FOTA help out everyone and a greater presence in New Vegas would ultimately help everyone, as their doctors and hospitals help the wasteland a great deal, which, in turn, helps the NCR, because that means both them and the people of NV die an awful lot less, which helps morale and fighting against raiders.

Additionally, helping people get rid of their chem addictions can significatly hurt the profits of chem dealers, most of which are related to raiders, if they aren't raiders themselves.

Funnily enough, the Followers were technically wiped out, if New Vegas hadn't happened. The original canon had been that the Mutants slaughtered them all.

Regardless, I would side with the Followers in terms of ideology. If we follow the Fallout universe's logic, the NCR are just headed towards another apocalypse. May take another few centuries, but the point is that the ideologies of the old world led to ultimate destruction. At least the Followers are trying to change the world for the better. The misconception is that the Followers are defenceless. They are pacifists but they do defend themselves when they need to (both their actions with the Children of the Cathedral and later their armed guards in the Old Mormon Fort prove this). They just don't have the NCR's resources.

Sadly, it's people's belief that human nature can't change that holds us back more than anything else. If the Followers had the resources of the NCR, they might genuinely be able to make a difference for the better. Then again, their laissez-faire attitude does lead to Caesar...

It's the sacrifice we have to make for freedom I suppose. I'd rather we knew about Ancient Rome than censor it, but the knowledge can lead people down some pretty dark roads.

I agree that the NCR are a force to be reckoned with, but that doesn't necessarily make them better in my opinion. All I see is a power hungry government that's looking to claim as much as they can in order to build their forces.

Granted, they do often align themselves with good intentions and are a definite improvement over the Legion.

I see the FOTA as a peacemaking organization that only wants to see the progression of humanity...or at least what's left of it. To me, they're what the Minutemen are in FO4, minus Preston "Another Settlement Needs Our Help" Garvey lol.

If they had more of a backing in terms of weaponry...they'd probably be the only choice for the progression of the wasteland civilization.

I tend to find myself more in agreement with the NCR as they seem to be the only group with an institution strong enough to rebuild civilization. However, if you want to keep the status quo and just improve the quality of life of people, then FOTA is the best group.

I agree with you there, they do indeed have the institutionalization necessary to rebuild, but the question is....do they have the humanity necessary in order prevent another Fallout from happening down the line?

the problem with having a group like the FOTA try to rebuild society is that to do so you need to have some mussle you see i see the FOTA like the red cross they are great in a humanitarian crisis but they could never run a country

The Followers may not be the strongest, but their goals are something to admire. They want the best for everyone, not just themselves or to a higher power. The NCR say they want the same, but if you're outside of their government and in their territory, better expect a crude knock at the door and your things nearly packed, or have the income to pay the taxes they want.

They both have their pros and cons like everything else but I guess I would lean more towards FOTA rather than the NCR. Visible Earth here on this thread put it perfectly, the NCR represents an old failed system of the past that will ultimately lead to greed, corruption, and then eventually more war. They claim to have good intentions, but i don't believe them and I have yet to see any "real" evidence.

On the other hand, The followers of the Apocalypse do seem to have good intentions and they have shown me that through their actions. They do not care about claiming territory and instead provide aid to the people of the wasteland while expecting nothing in return. Although their Pacifism could be considered a great weakness, it is also one of the reasons why I think their presence is extremely valuable to the future of the Mojave wasteland and beyond. Although they're not defenseless, they can easily be wiped out with enough force.

These topics are one of the main reasons why I love Fallout New Vegas so much, as it really makes you think.

If it's a question of which I would personally align with it would be the followers. They are always trying to help, and are reminiscent of doctors without borders.

But if we are talking about which will actually be able to be a sustainable government, it's the NCR all the way. With the way America is right now, you need an army willing to fight. From what we've seen in NV, the followers would've been killed and driven out of Nevada if not for the NCR.

Overall, I think the followers are a great faction, but they need the shadow of the bear to really be able to contribute meaningfully.

I choose FOTA because they are generally uncorrupted, NCR is rife with greed. Greed has always been and will always be, one of biggest causes of the downfall of man. NCR doesn't the limit, they just want more. More land, more tech, more taxes, more guns. And to get this, they will destroy anyone in their way. The allow barons to seize land by any means so they can make more money.

I tend to go with the NCR as they have the forces to defeat the Legion while the FOTA don't seem to have any force that is powerful enough to even withstand a small attack. The NCR at least has a good chance to defeat the Legion and stop the Wasteland being overrun and enslaved by the Legion. The FOTA is useless if the Legion overruns the Wasteland as they would likely all be killed for using modern medicine and therefore be wiped out. Having a mix of the two would be ideal but as far as I know there is no mods or anyway to combine the two factions.

I agree with the FOTA motives but I don't see why the NCR didn't just duplicate FOTA ideals like most great "inventors" have done in the past. At the least they could have put that NCR spin on the ideals most NCR higher ups had gripes with.

I honestly just like the NCR because of their relative stability. I know that statement is debatable but they seem more stable to me than any other faction both militarily and economically.

(I know this topic is old but still)

I prefer the NCR over there military prowness and their deadly rangers. The Veteran rangers look badass

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And I think the followers of the apocalypse are too focused on diplomatic ties like when they needed you to take care of the NCR

P.S I brought EDE-E to them and they made him Non hostile. RIP

I see that the FOTA are admirable in the fact that they want to help preserve humanity and help those who are sick. But they reject any kind of institutional power that would allow them to be charitable on a mass scale, the NCR for example. Now the NCR is by no means perfect and are in many ways as bad as the pre-war government, but they would allow some kind of FOTA-esq group to function safely. I'll have to go with the NCR on this one.

Followers. They don't have in mind to expand like the NCR but to go anywhere and offer their help and education. Who wouldn't side with people like that?

The FOT A are stretched thin already. Any further emphasis on them would probably put them inba really difficult situation. However I much prefer them over the NVR as it is no surprise that NVR politics is already riddled with corruption and political barriers. Never could find a happy median between the two factions, and when I dod, it was a rare moment that didn't involve one kicking out the other.