I'm hoping that it will eventually pick back up, but I'm not expecting much, Fallout has always been a little less popular to the Elder Scrolls series, let alone the problems with animations and the ck. Guess only time will tell though, hopefully it won't take too much longer with lots of mod authors backing down from their projects from all the issues with theft, or just flat out giving up.

@CalneCa I'm with you on this one, its kinda like Bethesda knew Fallout 4 might've flopped. I mean, a Skyrim remake; like I love Skyrim but since when Bethesda remasters anything.

But I'll give it some more months or so, I mean Oblivion looks awesome af in 2016 with the right mods.

I haven't experienced any crashing yet, which to me is a huge improvement coming from the Geck... but trying to make custom races is a pain in the butt. Regular error reporting coupled not being able to view the right textures till you're actually in-game. :S

You found a reason to do 15 playthroughs? I can't compel myself to do a second play through, and this is with 550+ hours in mind you.

patriotickevin wrote:

You found a reason to do 15 playthroughs? I can't compel myself to do a second play through, and this is with 550+ hours in mind you.

That's because of all the grinding that comes with a Bethesda title. Not really a fan of redoing 200+ Minutemen radiant quests.

patriotickevin wrote:

You found a reason to do 15 playthroughs? I can't compel myself to do a second play through, and this is with 550+ hours in mind you.

Yeah, the first three playthroughs were on my PS4 and I shook my head, dusted off my PC, Overclocked my proc and ponied up the dough for a new Geforce 970. I haven't turned on my PS4 since.

It's like Fallout 4 was hit by a perfect storm. First, we get hit by paid modding ~1 year ago and that widened any cracks that already existed in the modding scene. Then the amazing way Bethesda handled Xbone modding and all that mod stealing ruckus. And while I wasn't around for it, there was the farce that was the Nvidia modding contest. To top it all off, FO4 is a lot more divisive than previous titles and even if a modder wasn't deterred by all the mod-drama, they might just not like the base game enough. Or maybe I'm completely wrong. Who knows, I'm not a modder.

Dewderson wrote:

There's a number of factors I'd be willing to bet on.

The voiced protag makes it unnecessarily difficult for people who like making quest mods or companion mods being that the VO workload is doubled if not tripled as they have to recycle PC voice lines for the player to choose from.

The Bethesda.net controversy with mod theft and mod piracy forcing some of the most talented modders to quit or postpone their work such as DogToothCG (Maker of NCR Ranger Armor) and LordOfWar, who's armor is still being reuploaded with people calling him selfish or other dumb things. "WAOW U NAWT LIEK PPL STEELIN UR WURK UR FUKN SELFISH LOW." Generally bringing the console community into the fold made the modding community way more toxic and encouraged modders to quit due to harassment as well, I'm sure there's still some modder rant videos on youtube.

There's also the fact that people still see New Vegas as a much stronger Fallout title and would rather mod that game instead of Fallout 4.

Think you pretty much hit the nail on the head here. We've talked about it from time to time working on the Frontier, most of us think the same way about New Vegas and the same goes for other Fallout MA's I've spoken to.

Haven't even bothered to get a copy of FO4. I'll pick a copy up when it's dirt cheap on Steam one day, even then I'm tempted to buy more Dev tools instead to help me mod NV.

mindboggles wrote:

Dewderson wrote:

There's a number of factors I'd be willing to bet on.

The voiced protag makes it unnecessarily difficult for people who like making quest mods or companion mods being that the VO workload is doubled if not tripled as they have to recycle PC voice lines for the player to choose from.

The Bethesda.net controversy with mod theft and mod piracy forcing some of the most talented modders to quit or postpone their work such as DogToothCG (Maker of NCR Ranger Armor) and LordOfWar, who's armor is still being reuploaded with people calling him selfish or other dumb things. "WAOW U NAWT LIEK PPL STEELIN UR WURK UR FUKN SELFISH LOW." Generally bringing the console community into the fold made the modding community way more toxic and encouraged modders to quit due to harassment as well, I'm sure there's still some modder rant videos on youtube.

There's also the fact that people still see New Vegas as a much stronger Fallout title and would rather mod that game instead of Fallout 4.

Think you pretty much hit the nail on the head here. We've talked about it from time to time working on the Frontier, most of us think the same way about New Vegas and the same goes for other Fallout MA's I've spoken to.

Haven't even bothered to get a copy of FO4. I'll pick a copy up when it's dirt cheap on Steam one day, even then I'm tempted to buy more Dev tools instead to help me mod NV.

The harassment which some modders face is a total asshole move. Even if it's just a minority of the console users who act like shit, it still not okay. And Bethesda is not even doing much against it, they didn't think the whole situation through and it will probably only get worse when Skyrim Remastered is released.

There was just such an absolute crapfest with the whole bethesda.net controversy that many modders are getting turned off FO4. That may mean alot of good modders are just disappearing, and they may never come back. Which is bad. I'm resting all my hope on New Vegas and some of the bigger mod projects like the Frontier and San Francisco and Project Brazil.

The whole bethesda.net thing really blows.I watch some fallout mods weekly videos and see stuff like the Rebel and Scanvenged Ncr armor that arent around anymore.
And since i didnt have my PC back then i didnt get a chance to download them.Really sad,the actions of a few ruining it for the mojority of people out there.

From my understanding...mainly garnered from this site...FO4 has potential...but interest is limited due to the limits/understanding of the game mechanics. Will it be the next skyrim...no...that's silly. However, in time, it may be the next FO3, barring any "major mod" I just don't see the interest AND stamina with ABILITY to make a "major mod" (major mod: defined as something so changing that it's like a new game) but that's ok...While there is still quite a bit of "wine" left in this game to wring out...I don't see us getting "a whole new bottle" sometimes...games just peak and then the community moves on...and aren't you glad? Otherwise we would all be playing pong with mods.

Dreceratops wrote:

It's like Fallout 4 was hit by a perfect storm. First, we get hit by paid modding ~1 year ago and that widened any cracks that already existed in the modding scene. Then the amazing way Bethesda handled Xbone modding and all that mod stealing ruckus. And while I wasn't around for it, there was the farce that was the Nvidia modding contest. To top it all off, FO4 is a lot more divisive than previous titles and even if a modder wasn't deterred by all the mod-drama, they might just not like the base game enough. Or maybe I'm completely wrong. Who knows, I'm not a modder.

This was my thought on the whole issue. Opening mods up to restricted systems (XB1) made it so that people were unable to do anything to create the mods on said system, barring getting the open system (PC) themselves. I'm not saying that the idea is bad - it's actually great because people will start seeing this as something that can be done for future games (multiplayer shooters can benefit from community maps again), but I also see every single mod release get hammered with questions on if it will be on consoles, and when. If the author doesn't put it on the console, especially at the beginning of all this, someone else will without their permission.

From an author standpoint, it's difficult to take the mod you made and test it on a system you don't have. Aside from not really being able to test it, there are limits on file size, and I think some issues with textures. The whole thing is an unfriendly environment, and pushed a lot of very talented people away just like the paid mod thing did.

ugh its annoying how long it takes to extract the folders for ba2 for making retextures in the ck